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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein so Chris O'Brien is

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rather under the weather this week he

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was in California last week he did not

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go on a walkabout despite what some

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people have said no I said that I made

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up that rumor I figure if we have a

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presidential candidate now who could

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tell one lie every 169 words that I

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could certainly make up something this

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week Chris is back from California and

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under the weather so we recruited the

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one the only Greg Bishop to join us is

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guest co-host welcome Brett thanks so

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much for having me back again riot seems

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like he's become a regular here we

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welcome someone new to the show who has

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a lot of fascinating things to tell us

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and that's Erika Luc's well I thank you

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for having me I'm very excited to be

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here it says your bio other than the

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fact that you're an accomplished

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professional vocalist that I'm gonna ask

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you about that about music and UFOs but

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you've been passionate says here by UFOs

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abductions and the paranormal for your

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entire life from the photo here that

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must be about 23 years I love you and

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you know all I can say is praise the

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Lord for Photoshop listen with my photo

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ver to one you see on this station and

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on Facebook that took a lot more than

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just Photoshop well you need to give me

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some lessons that well they have all

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these great 3d modeling programs you

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know like the one that creates the marsh

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and the green Martians Supergirl TV show

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uh-huh so you see it doesn't mean I'm a

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really a green Martian but if they can

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do that our TV shows budget imagine what

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they can do with me well you're looking

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good whatever they did it's working well

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you know what happens is this is how we

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explain Greg's icon

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his avatar what it is is I took the

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force from him he didn't take anything

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from me that's that's the Pascagoula

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alien which is my favorite alien ever

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reported in any case basically because

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it looks like a Kachina oh I like it I

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was thinking here that your avatar could

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use a shave

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could use better shading is what it can

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use actually well I should have red red

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pill junky make one for me because he

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could make a much better looking avatar

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past cool alien I think that I could

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just pull off the inner Internet let's

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just which is what I did with that one

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who doesn't do that I mean that's where

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you get your avatar come on

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well you know what I did here is I wrote

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to red pill junky after seeing the great

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illustrations he did for your book and I

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said please come up with caricatures for

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me and Chris did he do it yet I'm

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waiting we'll see what happens you see

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GCN now has a composite photo of me just

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me with a para cast logo on it which is

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on the files that we distribute for the

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show at least the ones that GCN provides

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for us let's get back to something here

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that Erica and I were talking about

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before we connected here start the show

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and that is the fact that she's a

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professional singer and I was saying

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hear what about Prince and his

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contribution to paranormal or UFOs or

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conspiracy theories anything is lyrics

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yeah I think that his lyrics are so

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provocative in many ways as we know I

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think that would be a great thing to

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really analyze to research because I

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feel that you know I mean as many people

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do that there is a connection and that

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perhaps artists whether it's in you know

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I mean that painter or a musician any

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type of art we have some sort of ability

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to perhaps access things that other

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people can't and I think that's a

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fascinating prospect now our old friend

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Nick Redfern and he's a great friend of

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both of yours wrote an article about his

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five favorite UFO songs

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but I was thinking here there was a song

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from Jimi Hendrix on one of his albums

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up from the skies don't know if you

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remember that yeah yep

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I loved Hendrix and also from Styx coms

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sail away with me that song is about a

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starship inviting the people to go with

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them at the end of the song remember

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those lyrics

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oh yeah another song that I totally

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loved back in the day when I was like 5

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you know it has been a few years since

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that song came out such a great song and

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then of course in one of the songs from

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John Lennon and I'm paraphrasing the

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lyric there's UFOs over New York and

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nobody seems surprised isn't it

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fascinating it's so cool when you look

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back and you see the profound effect

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that these sightings have had on people

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you know David Bowie I mean you've got

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Sammy Hagar all of these people Tom

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DeLonge yeah I've got a collection of

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probably near of hundred Yoho songs

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I should start a website but yeah

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they're all through there's another Jimi

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Hendrix he says something about UFOs are

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looking down at us and laughing and you

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know basically saying come off it what's

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wrong with you people hey what you gonna

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do Greg right now while we're talking go

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to say namecheap.com and register the

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name UFO songs calm oh no I have UFO

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music calm already met registered or

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Flying Saucer music calm that's it

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I just haven't done anything with it yet

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so yeah I should I should start posting

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I've been collecting for like 10 years

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I've got I've got all kinds sure it's

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still in effect because I see nothing

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about it here I don't see like a default

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site usually when you register your

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domain name you have some kind of

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default site

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it's a ridiculous discussion what is

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great it's a little mood music I like it

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well we were just talking about songs

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that Erika likes and maybe she'll just

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have to regale us with something because

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you know I'm crazy about people who

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could sing because I can't I can't even

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sing for my supper you know I I perhaps

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maybe but it's been a long time you know

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I took I sang for 25 years

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professionally and I

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just I got to the point where I was just

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so burned out on doing it because those

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are hard hours and that's an interesting

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lifestyle and so I stepped back and then

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I became a painter I started painting

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and so I need to dust off the pipes and

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get rolling again now I find interesting

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and looking at your bio that instead of

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calling them UFOs you call them UAP yes

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okay I'm sure you didn't originally do

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that that you some point in your studies

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you were converted to the newer

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designation when you know I think it's

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it's an interesting thing for me kind of

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coming into this and learning a lot

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about how the public views the term UFO

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and also looking at different

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researchers that are very very respected

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and how they use this terminology I was

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looking in our cap you know in our cap

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is a to mean incredibly and it should be

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to everybody an incredibly important

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organization and they actually coined

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the term dr. Haines UAP and I like it

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and I don't I'm sure you saw Hillary

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Clinton on Jimmy Kimmel talking about

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you ApS which is just funny

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well John Podesta must have briefed her

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before that yes but she seems almost

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serious about this you know when a

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politician says hey I'm going to look

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into this UFO stuff and they tell you

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that and you think oh it's just a

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politician making a promise but she's

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been asked about that several times and

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she sounds to me like she's being

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sincere I know a lot of people just hate

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her which I can't understand she doesn't

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bother me at all sometimes her voice

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gets a little too loud or hoarse but of

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course she's a politician she's

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campaigning every single day but she

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doesn't bother me any I just don't know

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what people are so polarized about her

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I know it's interesting I think this

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next election is gonna I don't know I

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might have to move to Canada it's gonna

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be interesting but I do find it very

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cool interesting that you've got people

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from NASA throwing out little tidbit so

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in the next decade or so Wolff will make

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an announcement that we have found life

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and then you've got but

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who is demanding disclosure and Clinton

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and I believe that the powers that be

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absolutely know that they can't keep a

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lid on this and they're gonna have to to

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roll with it now let's go back into you

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Erica Luke's let's look at your

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background that feeling we have to do a

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break in a moment it starts out

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something I mentioned before you've been

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passionate about you a piece abduction

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and the paranormal for your entire life

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and I want to know when you first became

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interested and passionate about these

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subjects and will pursue that in a

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she is head of something called Utah UFO

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Bishop as our guest co-host and I asked

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Erica when she first became passionate

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about these subjects Erica when I was a

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small child I believe I was six years

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old I was in the school library and I

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saw a book with a UFO on the cover and I

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picked it up and I just was mesmerised

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and I think it was from that moment

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forward that something a light went on

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inside me and I knew that this was

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intriguing I believed that there were

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many possibilities and I wanted to learn

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as much as I could so I just studied and

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you know caught little bits and pieces

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you know when he communion came out that

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was a big thing I read but Hopkins just

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followed that and through my lifetime

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you know I had had a series of

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interesting paranormal occurrences

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happened around me and so I knew

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that there was something going on I

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didn't know what it was and in my 2013 I

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had a series of sightings of the Salt

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Lake Valley of the orange orbs so that's

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what pushed me forward into wanting to

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really dive in and research what was

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taking place now did you go along with

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the crowd here in terms of UFOs possibly

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being from other planets or what I did

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because I don't know I mean honestly I

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can't say whether they're from outer

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space whether it is something that is

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terrestrial interdimensional I mean I

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just I don't know and I've always felt

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that we had a lot of different types of

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things going on but the more I really

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put my claws into researching this the

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more I feel that we're dealing with

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something that is perhaps terrestrial

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that we don't have the capability of

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understanding I do think it is

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absolutely possible that we are being

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visited by extraterrestrial

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civilizations as well but I mean none of

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us know and I believe we need to find

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out pretty quickly do you accept the

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possibility that there are other answers

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with a time of these UFOs I do all right

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now you make a point of abductions and

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you're also part of the MUFON experience

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or research team now we've gone into

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abductions on the show and some of our

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most controversial sessions have been

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with people who investigate abductions

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we have the late Budd Hopkins on the

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show on several occasions more recently

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we had David Jacobs and it was probably

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the most controversial episode of the

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podcast ever because as much as people

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accept what he does were just accepted

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as part of a overall picture of evidence

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others think he's a devil incarnate

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isn't it interesting and I think he is

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interesting I would like to have the

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opportunity to speak with him at some

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point he has interesting ideas again as

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I look into the abduction phenomena I

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believe it is very real I believe that

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it's something that we need to take

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seriously but I also

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the people even that research this type

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of thing they don't really give up

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validity and I don't understand that

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maybe it's too much for people well the

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thing we have a problem with here the

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para caste with Jacobs is that his

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methodology seems questionable you know

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like there are no leading questions to

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be asked when you're trying to do with

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hypnotic regression and people we've

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talked to about using hypnosis in

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connection with abduction it seemed to

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be concerned about things like that

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having been involved in abduction

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research what do you think I think that

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it is incredibly important to find

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people that have been vetted and are

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good at this because like you said you

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can lead people down a path and a lot of

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times hypnosis is not exactly something

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that we it's hard to find somebody

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that's good is what I tried to say you

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know we have people or we when I was

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with the MUFON experience her team we

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had people that were really looked at

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embedded and I know we didn't have

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anybody in Utah that was that met the

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MUFON standards and that you have to go

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through a lot of paces and you also have

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to have insurance and and all of this

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stuff which is great this is the way it

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should be

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so with UFO abductions are people really

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being captured by ETS some unknown force

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or are they experiencing something that

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they're interpreting as UFOs neeti

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because that's how things are now that

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is a great question and I honestly wish

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I knew the answer to that I think you

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can look back historically and see that

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you know I mean it was it a succubus I

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mean there all sorts of different

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interpretations as history has changed

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is it something that's paranormal in

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nature I don't know I mean that's the

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whole thing it's like I just want to

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find out as much as I can because nobody

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really knows what's taking place and the

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thought of something coming into your

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bedroom at night and and taking you

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whether it you know just be spiritually

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whatever your

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you're doing I mean that's incredibly

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traumatizing I feel absolutely just the

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people that I worked with and spoke with

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I mean they these people were forever

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scarred and impacted and then you've got

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the fact that you can't talk about this

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publicly you know they felt isolated

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from loved ones it's a really a very sad

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thing again I think the big question is

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what's really happening to these people

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it seems strange that if he is here and

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they want to take genetic samples or

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study humans and maybe they have very

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little regard for us why would they have

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to do it over and over again how many

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samples do you need to get a flavor of

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what's happening with the local populace

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that is a great question and I would say

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obviously they're monitoring depressions

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of people throughout their lifetimes

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especially I mean we know women and

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their reproductive years I don't know I

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I wish I did I wish I had any sort of

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answer you know I can speculate but I

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don't have a lot of answers you know I

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had melinda leslie on my show if you

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about a month ago and she's fascinating

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has done a lot of research and Kathleen

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Martin as well and and they have lots of

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great things to say about it

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you want to drop in with a comment or

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question Greg yeah I've been typing out

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questions with the microphone off so you

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don't hear all the tapping going on I

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got in the midst of all those questions

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there I had a few of them and I think

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one thing I wanted to ask is what do you

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think of the idea that the questions

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that you ask when you're looking at all

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these issues basically frames the

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phenomenon with an answer already and

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kind of closes a loop and keeps keeps

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you closed to possibilities that is an

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excellent question and I think that's

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something that I have learned become a

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little more seasoned as an investigator

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researcher I've learned to to frame

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questions very carefully

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I've you know James Clarkson is a friend

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of mine I've spoken with Gary Heseltine

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both of them are excellent detectives

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and they have given me great guides for

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how to interact with the witness so

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you're not leading or putting anything

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in their minds let's do our break your

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arrogance

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we'll have more about Erica talking

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about UFO abductions our guest co-host

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this week is Greg Bishop with gene and

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620
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621
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from chasing UFOs you're listening to

622
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:08,610
the panic at the gold standard of

623
00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:14,460
now just to make things even more

624
00:27:19,769 --> 00:27:16,270
interesting when we had Micah Hanks on

625
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:19,779
last week he gave himself a magical echo

626
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:27,760
effect oh I was just thinking of doing a

627
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:30,370
shadow laugh with an echo and thank

628
00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:32,730
heavens I won't now it could be scary

629
00:27:38,250 --> 00:27:35,350
hey people think I'm scary anyway but

630
00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:38,260
let's look at your viewpoints further

631
00:27:43,289 --> 00:27:41,169
with regard to abduction research go

632
00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:43,299
ahead you one of the biggest things that

633
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:46,360
I feel we need to do with regards to

634
00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:47,919
this as I feel that we need to share

635
00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:50,740
information and I feel this way not only

636
00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:53,380
with abduction research but also with

637
00:27:59,039 --> 00:27:56,740
the field in general I came into this

638
00:28:02,760 --> 00:27:59,049
and I was very shocked it's kind of a

639
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:02,770
dysfunction seen in a lot of groups and

640
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:06,210
the fact that we work in an isolated

641
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:08,830
time we're often isolated and we're not

642
00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:11,110
sharing our findings and I think if

643
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:12,580
we're gonna make any great progression

644
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:16,210
with abduction research or figuring out

645
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:18,700
what is flying around in our skies we

646
00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:22,710
need to share the research am I dreaming

647
00:28:28,350 --> 00:28:26,350
no not at all I got a question about

648
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:28,360
MUFON is there is there some kind of

649
00:28:33,899 --> 00:28:31,480
policy of what people are supposed to be

650
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,909
looking for is it totally open at this

651
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:35,919
point I've been told that there's not an

652
00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:38,200
ETH policy anymore and that people are

653
00:28:41,370 --> 00:28:39,880
free to believe what they want but I

654
00:28:43,409 --> 00:28:41,380
wanted to know from your viewpoint is

655
00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:43,419
that is that what's going on and also do

656
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:45,820
they support research that's not you

657
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:47,260
know the standard if you want to call it

658
00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:51,010
that you know MUFON I found many

659
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:54,340
different viewpoints when I was working

660
00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:56,890
with other state directors and

661
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:59,110
investigators in MUFON I think that

662
00:29:04,590 --> 00:29:00,640
everybody comes into this with their own

663
00:29:07,139 --> 00:29:04,600
bias so to speak and I think it's

664
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:07,149
interesting to see how that bias even

665
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:09,130
after decades of research doesn't

666
00:29:17,789 --> 00:29:14,049
necessarily change and I we were never

667
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:17,799
told that you have to publicly state

668
00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:19,809
that this is what's happening I mean I

669
00:29:24,659 --> 00:29:21,870
think that people come to their own

670
00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:24,669
conclusions so I think

671
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:26,470
that's I think that's a good thing I

672
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:27,970
think that's what we need we need to

673
00:29:31,349 --> 00:29:29,710
have differing opinions and different

674
00:29:34,499 --> 00:29:31,359
ways of researching and investigating

675
00:29:37,499 --> 00:29:34,509
this okay I had one other question about

676
00:29:40,229 --> 00:29:37,509
the you know when you interview people

677
00:29:42,810 --> 00:29:40,239
who are perhaps abductors or whatever

678
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,820
you want to call it I would say just by

679
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:44,080
the fact that they're coming to MUFON

680
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:45,460
they've already kind of got an idea

681
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:47,529
what's going on and how do you deal with

682
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:50,289
that I mean how do you weed out that you

683
00:29:54,779 --> 00:29:52,809
know a huge you know a myriad of things

684
00:29:56,909 --> 00:29:54,789
that could be happening so absolutely

685
00:29:58,759 --> 00:29:56,919
and you know that that's another great

686
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:58,769
question we have a very extensive

687
00:30:05,009 --> 00:30:02,559
experience or questionnaire and then

688
00:30:07,049 --> 00:30:05,019
Kathleen Martin goes through and the

689
00:30:09,149 --> 00:30:07,059
group goes through and then they they

690
00:30:12,539 --> 00:30:09,159
rate the scores and Figg you know you

691
00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:12,549
can kind of figure out who is maybe

692
00:30:16,739 --> 00:30:15,070
dealing with something other than an

693
00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:16,749
abduction of potential abduction and

694
00:30:22,619 --> 00:30:19,619
then based on that then they assign

695
00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:22,629
investigators to do follow-ups and

696
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:27,100
interview people okay if somebody goes

697
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:28,690
to MUFON I think they already kind of

698
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,690
have an idea that some UFO type thing is

699
00:30:37,229 --> 00:30:34,480
going on and it might not be so you kind

700
00:30:39,749 --> 00:30:37,239
of covered that absolutely yeah Kathleen

701
00:30:42,869 --> 00:30:39,759
was is fantastic with that I think

702
00:30:44,639 --> 00:30:42,879
people understand that when you're

703
00:30:48,749 --> 00:30:44,649
coming forward with a potential

704
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:48,759
abduction scenario that there are lots

705
00:30:55,169 --> 00:30:50,710
of things that you have to to really

706
00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:55,179
root out to get to a true case of this

707
00:30:59,609 --> 00:30:57,190
happening you know there are people I

708
00:31:01,799 --> 00:30:59,619
think just in general that have lots of

709
00:31:04,049 --> 00:31:01,809
different reasons for wanting to come

710
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:04,059
forward and that needs that is addressed

711
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:07,090
go ahead Jean I've run through about

712
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,470
half the Reg is now going to go out and

713
00:31:16,769 --> 00:31:14,320
play some softball or something because

714
00:31:19,229 --> 00:31:16,779
he's just he's just finished with it let

715
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:19,239
me ask you here - about abductions are

716
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:21,570
we still seeing a number of them new

717
00:31:28,619 --> 00:31:25,480
episodes or it is something that's kind

718
00:31:31,739 --> 00:31:28,629
of and far away in terms of the number

719
00:31:34,169 --> 00:31:31,749
of these cases that is a boy you know I

720
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:34,179
believe that we're still seeing a number

721
00:31:38,490 --> 00:31:37,690
of cases I don't think that that's going

722
00:31:45,390 --> 00:31:38,500
to

723
00:31:48,510 --> 00:31:45,400
I've with my pursuits I've kind of

724
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:48,520
veered off from that and I'm looking

725
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:51,370
more into specifically you know

726
00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:53,680
skinwalker ranch the orange orb

727
00:31:58,590 --> 00:31:56,260
phenomenon and things like that so

728
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:58,600
there's just so many facets to all of

729
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:00,100
this it's like how do you how do you do

730
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:07,120
it all that's a good question yeah this

731
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:10,090
is so interesting to me and it's like

732
00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:12,580
you go down one rabbit hole and then

733
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:16,990
five more appear and I have just finally

734
00:32:21,450 --> 00:32:19,450
kind of weeded out things that didn't

735
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:21,460
really resonate with me and I think

736
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:25,590
because of what I have witnessed and

737
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:28,410
researched you know definitely the orb

738
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:31,750
stuff is is where I I really want to

739
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:34,780
focus stuff hey I got a question where

740
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,490
do you think MUFON should be I don't

741
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:38,320
know five or ten years from now where do

742
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:40,750
you think they will be and do you have

743
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:42,970
any personal preference about where they

744
00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:44,260
might be going and where they should end

745
00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:46,600
up in the future I think that MUFON has

746
00:32:52,170 --> 00:32:48,700
done a great job with increasing

747
00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:52,180
membership and raising public awareness

748
00:32:59,520 --> 00:32:56,470
about what's taking place for me as

749
00:33:03,450 --> 00:32:59,530
state director former state director I

750
00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:03,460
was very interested in seeing the

751
00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:06,430
database and seeing that analysis of

752
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:08,740
what was taking place and I didn't see a

753
00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:10,810
lot of that and I know what is a

754
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:13,150
volunteer organization but to me when

755
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:15,610
you have 40 years of data you have to

756
00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:18,660
look at what the data is telling you I

757
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:21,940
became aware of you know after

758
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,190
researching the orange orb phenomenon I

759
00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:26,320
became aware of the fact that there were

760
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:29,230
specific places all over the world where

761
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:32,260
there were sightings clusters oftentimes

762
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,260
these places were seen in areas that had

763
00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:37,440
specific mineral or rare earth content

764
00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:41,620
bodies of water they were in may on

765
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:43,960
Native American reservations it's

766
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:47,100
interesting to me and so I wanted to

767
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:50,650
know why or what I could do with MUFON

768
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:52,310
to start

769
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:54,770
analyzing the database so we could make

770
00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:57,290
connections get people out in the field

771
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,240
where these sightings clusters are

772
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:02,000
taking place and then do good data

773
00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:05,710
collection but that that was that the

774
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:10,100
process that is going to be a long long

775
00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:12,470
time coming because unfortunately you

776
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:16,360
still have people that think things are

777
00:34:22,390 --> 00:34:19,910
Chinese lanterns sometimes they are I

778
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:22,400
think a lot of times they're not and so

779
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:25,130
you have to convince people and in my

780
00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:27,770
opinion waste a lot of good productive

781
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:30,260
time convincing people that credible

782
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:35,930
sightings are not Chinese lanterns doing

783
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:37,370
all this study is that what is the

784
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:39,890
purpose of you know move on ultimately

785
00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:41,690
is it to prove to people that there's an

786
00:34:47,290 --> 00:34:45,470
actual real unknown phenomenon going on

787
00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:47,300
or is that do you think that they

788
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:49,070
shouldn't care and just go on with their

789
00:34:54,730 --> 00:34:51,640
research until they have some sort of a

790
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:54,740
presentable answer I think that any

791
00:35:00,190 --> 00:34:58,550
organization like you know MUFON I think

792
00:35:04,090 --> 00:35:00,200
that they need to have a very clear and

793
00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:04,100
deliberate message I believe that we

794
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,080
have you know we've got more than ample

795
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:08,720
evidence that something is taking place

796
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:12,310
and I think it's a matter of how you

797
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:16,250
disseminate that message instead of you

798
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:17,330
know coming and I'm not saying that

799
00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:18,920
MUFON does this but instead of just

800
00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:21,260
saying that this is a belief system no

801
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:24,260
it's not a belief system this is a fact

802
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:27,980
this is a reality so how do we mobilize

803
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:31,040
the top leaders in the research

804
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:34,730
community globally to step forward work

805
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:38,510
on United Front and get good research

806
00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:40,670
you know that to me those are the things

807
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:44,900
that we need to be focusing on and I you

808
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:48,770
know don't think that having as great as

809
00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:51,290
it is to have investigators out there

810
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:54,500
looking at individual cases and we need

811
00:36:00,760 --> 00:35:58,130
that we need to have a group that looks

812
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:00,770
at the larger picture because there is a

813
00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:02,930
larger picture taking place and we can't

814
00:36:06,220 --> 00:36:04,700
forget that mm-hmm

815
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is that working do you think

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you but outside the community people are

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abduction research so Greg ask away my

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question was is you know how do you

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convince the people that are outside the

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organization and the people that aren't

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interested or you know think that there

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isn't anything there I mean I was gonna

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say my opinion is that I think the

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change has to come from people's views

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of reality and how we perceive it rather

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than telling them yes there is some sort

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of phenomenon well what do you think oh

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boy I think that is such a multi-layered

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thing to think about so you know for me

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I I am a very open and vocal person

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about my experiences and I'm I it was

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interesting for me when I started to

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have these sightings to talk about them

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and see the public reaction to that me

961
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even my friends and as I have you know

962
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,650
they don't have time for it they don't

963
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even know whatever it's just crazy talk

964
00:42:49,850 --> 00:42:47,910
and yada yada but as I changed the way I

965
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presented things to people

966
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I saw a little bit of a light go on and

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now my friends I mean there's not a day

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that goes by that somebody I don't know

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in Utah doesn't say oh my gosh I was

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looking up and I can't believe it it's

971
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just shifting people's perspectives how

972
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,990
do we get people away from living in

973
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their little bubble you know and I think

974
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:16,800
we do this even if we're not looking for

975
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:20,280
UFOs we do this way too much we have our

976
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nine-to-five job we're looking straight

977
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:24,420
forward we're not paying attention to

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our intuition we're not paying it

979
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:28,140
attention to what's up in our skies or

980
00:43:34,070 --> 00:43:31,290
taking place in an intuitive level and I

981
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:34,080
think that if we talk about it enough

982
00:43:39,590 --> 00:43:37,290
and expose people to that that we can

983
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open up a new world and perhaps lead

984
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:42,360
research you know forward I don't know I

985
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,850
hope so I'll give it back to Jean I'm

986
00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:46,680
tank mate right here I'm just gonna put

987
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:49,230
it into a little box and hope we'll get

988
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:51,480
somewhere now I have made a couple of

989
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:53,310
criticisms about new fun and I'm not

990
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:55,500
assuming you're a spokesperson for them

991
00:44:00,140 --> 00:43:57,270
because I'm going to ask you about the

992
00:44:03,110 --> 00:44:00,150
Utah UFO research project and that is I

993
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:03,120
don't see where at least publicly MUFON

994
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:04,740
has accomplished all that much since

995
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:08,250
what 1969 what do we know today that we

996
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:11,670
didn't know then that's significant you

997
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:14,910
know I think that we definitely know

998
00:44:21,110 --> 00:44:18,300
that we are experiencing something that

999
00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:21,120
we're being visited I think that you

1000
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:23,100
know MUFON every year we've they have

1001
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:26,250
the top 10 cases and so we have great

1002
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:29,850
cases that come through but I don't you

1003
00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:34,050
know I I I have asked myself that and I

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feel that hopefully I've made some

1005
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:38,700
contributions while I was state director

1006
00:44:45,350 --> 00:44:41,820
in that regard and I know that we've

1007
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:45,360
also my project orange team has done

1008
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,420
great things with regards to now we're

1009
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:50,940
we're implementing some of what we've

1010
00:44:55,580 --> 00:44:53,970
found into the education for MUFON field

1011
00:44:57,740 --> 00:44:55,590
investigators and that's fabulous so I

1012
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:57,750
think that changes are coming I think

1013
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,140
that we will Jan horizon-- has

1014
00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:03,060
understands that he needs to look at

1015
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:06,270
different facets of this and bring some

1016
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:07,950
of the more high gradient things into

1017
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:10,920
research so I think things are changing

1018
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,740
but how do we how I think MUFON needs to

1019
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:16,500
be more clear on the information it

1020
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:19,650
gives to the public I think you know we

1021
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,180
can go in there and look at the database

1022
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:24,560
but I think we need to have really good

1023
00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:27,780
good information we need to get more

1024
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:30,390
information out there with regards to

1025
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:33,780
what MUFON is done now MUFON has a

1026
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:37,770
database national UFO Reporting Center

1027
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:39,630
has a database

1028
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,220
there are other databases around the

1029
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:43,560
world wouldn't it make sense to find

1030
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:45,450
some way to get all these databases to

1031
00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:48,810
be merged it certainly would you know

1032
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:51,860
I've it I go back and forth on that

1033
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,530
sometimes I mean to me but when I first

1034
00:46:00,920 --> 00:45:56,880
started this I thought it would be great

1035
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:00,930
to do that I think that what you know

1036
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:03,450
unfortunately until we have standardized

1037
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:06,510
protocols for obtaining you know

1038
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:09,540
sightings reports it might not really do

1039
00:46:12,830 --> 00:46:10,200
any good

1040
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:12,840
because you've got you know we've moved

1041
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:16,410
on as a pretty pretty good form that you

1042
00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:17,670
fill out when you're when you're doing

1043
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:20,190
things I'm not sure that I wish I could

1044
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:23,010
remember what Peter Davenport's form was

1045
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,300
like but I think we all need to come

1046
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:26,400
together and standardized protocols I

1047
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:29,910
think that it's never necessarily a good

1048
00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:33,660
idea to have all the data in one place

1049
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:38,190
if you know what I mean so I don't know

1050
00:46:42,910 --> 00:46:40,890
what do you think about it you've been

1051
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:42,920
doing this you've seen a lot of things I

1052
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:46,830
think at this point we have tons of data

1053
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:49,380
but it could be contradictory we can

1054
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:51,540
have situations where there's a sighting

1055
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:54,660
with multiple witnesses but MUFON has

1056
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,180
two of the witnesses the fourth and

1057
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,640
fifth witnesses are on national UFO

1058
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:02,400
Reporting Center and maybe one more

1059
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:04,200
witness has never reported anywhere

1060
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:05,910
you're not getting a complete picture

1061
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:08,910
unless you have that the second thing is

1062
00:47:14,570 --> 00:47:12,300
with regard to following up on these

1063
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:14,580
cases learning more about the person who

1064
00:47:19,610 --> 00:47:16,260
has society not just treating the

1065
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:19,620
sighting as a specific event that's

1066
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:22,170
separate from someone's own life and

1067
00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:25,500
lifestyle absolutely absolutely I could

1068
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:27,120
not agree with you more I think that's

1069
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:29,370
important when I was state director and

1070
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:31,980
even now that I'm investigating and and

1071
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:33,570
doing things with this new project I

1072
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:35,340
mean the first thing I do when I get a

1073
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:37,500
case report is I look at every other

1074
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:39,590
database that I can get my hands on and

1075
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,140
I always you know go right to new Fork

1076
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:44,960
because they you know you get one

1077
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:47,220
sighting here and then you get two

1078
00:47:52,460 --> 00:47:49,170
sightings on new Fork but are similar

1079
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:52,470
sightings and so pulling in all of those

1080
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:56,099
resources is essential and and also like

1081
00:48:00,970 --> 00:47:59,220
you said you need to to not look at

1082
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:00,980
things as though they are isolated

1083
00:48:09,020 --> 00:48:04,680
incidences they're not this is something

1084
00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:09,030
that is you need to pursue I don't think

1085
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:11,790
that after a certain amount of time in

1086
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:15,450
my opinion cases should necessarily be

1087
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:16,230
closed

1088
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:19,380
I had a great case here a mass sighting

1089
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,380
a couple years ago and that was a case

1090
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:24,240
that I still have open because I'm

1091
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:27,780
getting new information about it and so

1092
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:29,670
I think it takes a lot of work this

1093
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,609
isn't case open case closed

1094
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:34,800
now do you ever look into a person's

1095
00:48:38,359 --> 00:48:36,330
background have they had previous

1096
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:38,369
sightings have they encountered other

1097
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:42,090
strange things not just UFOs yes I do

1098
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:47,250
and I find that people that have UFO

1099
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:49,650
sightings typically have paranormal

1100
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:52,800
things happening in their environment so

1101
00:48:57,260 --> 00:48:55,170
there it's it's and they you know you

1102
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:57,270
have one sighting and then you talk with

1103
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,599
the witness and and they often divulge

1104
00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:02,640
oh I think you know I remember when I

1105
00:49:06,859 --> 00:49:04,859
was out in the desert and I had I saw

1106
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:06,869
this and doctor doctor done so you do

1107
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:09,750
establish a pattern whether the witness

1108
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:13,020
is misidentifying objects or not you

1109
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:14,910
know you have to be pretty good at

1110
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:16,710
asking the right questions and

1111
00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:19,530
determining that but people are often

1112
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,320
repeat they have repeat things happen

1113
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,760
repeated things happen

1114
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:25,440
we call them repeat offenders I'm

1115
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:32,310
kidding all right now you mentioned that

1116
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:35,130
you've had sightings particularly in

1117
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:38,700
2013 let's get more details about those

1118
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,530
and we'll cover that and remainder of

1119
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:42,300
this segment and persist with that in

1120
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:45,000
the next segment as need be now prior to

1121
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:48,750
2013 have you ever had any UFO and/or a

1122
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:52,380
paranormal experience I did I lived in

1123
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:55,560
my in my late 20s and early 30s I lived

1124
00:50:01,940 --> 00:49:58,680
in a home that was oh my gosh about a

1125
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:01,950
hundred years old and we had peated I

1126
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:04,530
mean we're talking multiple people over

1127
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:06,740
the decade that I lived there

1128
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:09,660
things happened where people were seeing

1129
00:50:18,579 --> 00:50:14,910
a male figure where objects would fly

1130
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:18,589
off shelves and and interact with

1131
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:20,550
electronics just different things that

1132
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,160
was really a fascinating thing we had a

1133
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:26,040
group come out and do multiple

1134
00:50:32,059 --> 00:50:28,380
investigations and of course got the

1135
00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:32,069
typical EVPs and and herbs and things

1136
00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:36,390
and it was just a really fun fascinating

1137
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:38,940
time to see this and to see people that

1138
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:41,819
were that were just didn't even wanted

1139
00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:44,730
to go there come into the home and have

1140
00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:48,750
things happen and just be like whoa so

1141
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:50,849
there was that which was really

1142
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:53,510
interesting I had a couple experiences

1143
00:51:00,620 --> 00:50:56,790
where I saw things up in the sky that

1144
00:51:03,020 --> 00:51:00,630
were perhaps unusual but I don't know if

1145
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:03,030
that was something truly anomalous and

1146
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,040
it wasn't until 2013 that I said whoa

1147
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:10,800
wait a minute this is really weird adds

1148
00:51:15,319 --> 00:51:12,750
I need to figure out what it is that

1149
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:15,329
that we're seeing let's find out what

1150
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:18,930
happened in 2013 we have Erika Luke's

1151
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:21,960
and amongst many many many many many

1152
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:26,040
pursuits she is the head of the Utah UFO

1153
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:28,050
research project of which we'll ask more

1154
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:30,780
we have Greg Bishop our guest co-host

1155
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:42,160
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Steinberg we're going to have a best-of

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00:54:23,090 --> 00:54:20,490
have Greg Bishop as our guest co-host

1211
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:23,100
with Erica Luke's and I'll remind you

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1227
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Erica Luke's about her experiences in

1228
00:55:11,810 --> 00:55:07,140
2013 let's really delve into it in this

1229
00:55:13,850 --> 00:55:11,820
segment Erica so in 2013 I was I spent

1230
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:13,860
it was a beautiful summer it was July

1231
00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:17,280
and I was entertaining a lot and I have

1232
00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:19,860
an incredible view of the Salt Lake

1233
00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:20,430
Valley

1234
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:24,140
I am situated kind of up in the in the

1235
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:27,570
the west side or excuse me the east side

1236
00:55:31,610 --> 00:55:29,250
of the valley and I could look over and

1237
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:31,620
see the Salt Lake International Airport

1238
00:55:36,350 --> 00:55:33,840
all these these spots and so we would

1239
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:36,360
sit out and just look at everything look

1240
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:39,090
at the airplanes going by have fun and

1241
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,850
there was a particular night when my

1242
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:44,400
friends were over and we noticed there

1243
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:48,330
were orange lights in the sky and it's

1244
00:55:53,570 --> 00:55:51,930
kind of struck us as odd because you

1245
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,580
know you can tell when there's

1246
00:55:58,610 --> 00:55:55,920
that artificial light of an aircraft you

1247
00:56:00,980 --> 00:55:58,620
can tell because you know I mean it

1248
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:00,990
looks different than what we were seeing

1249
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:04,290
and as we noticed this object there was

1250
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,130
a smaller one that that appeared to drop

1251
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:12,000
out of a larger object and then move in

1252
00:56:18,970 --> 00:56:15,570
a circle around the larger object we

1253
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:18,980
were obviously pretty stunned and

1254
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:23,970
intrigued so I grabbed I began for a

1255
00:56:27,050 --> 00:56:25,500
couple months well probably longer than

1256
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:27,060
that just every night setting up my

1257
00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:30,570
video camera on the porch and noticed

1258
00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:33,350
that these objects would come with

1259
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:36,870
regularity one night I was looking out

1260
00:56:42,110 --> 00:56:39,810
over by the ochre mountains and saw one

1261
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:42,120
of these orange objects coming up from

1262
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:43,980
on the in front of the mountain that

1263
00:56:49,450 --> 00:56:45,870
appeared to be the base of the mountain

1264
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:49,460
coming up and hovering in one place for

1265
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:52,200
upwards of five minutes and then moving

1266
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:55,650
in a line headed north and then another

1267
00:57:02,300 --> 00:56:58,380
object came up stopped in the same place

1268
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:02,310
moved in the same line and then another

1269
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:05,880
object so it was very intriguing to me

1270
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:10,200
and I wanted to know first of all what

1271
00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:11,910
this was because it was intriguing but

1272
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:13,980
then I also understood the fact that

1273
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:15,480
whatever these things are they're in the

1274
00:57:19,580 --> 00:57:16,890
flight path for the International

1275
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:19,590
Airport we live very close to Dugway

1276
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,260
proving ground and I believe that we

1277
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:24,240
need to pay attention to things for

1278
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:27,540
multiple reasons so I started calling

1279
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:29,880
people you know I mean I called Hill Air

1280
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:32,220
Force Base I called up a proving ground

1281
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,650
you know anybody I could think of I

1282
00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:37,440
looked through YouTube videos tried to

1283
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:40,860
look through case reports I just wanted

1284
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:42,540
to know whether other people were seeing

1285
00:57:50,570 --> 00:57:46,740
this and what it was that took me to

1286
00:57:55,850 --> 00:57:50,580
Peter Davenport and Peter was incredible

1287
00:57:59,360 --> 00:57:55,860
to me and he still is and I I filed some

1288
00:58:03,620 --> 00:57:59,370
reports with him and then I found MUFON

1289
00:58:05,930 --> 00:58:03,630
and realized that we didn't have any so

1290
00:58:07,099 --> 00:58:05,940
to speak at very large presence here in

1291
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:07,109
Utah

1292
00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:09,210
I became a field investigator and then

1293
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:11,819
eventually state director it was just a

1294
00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:14,220
crazy time I mean I I still to this day

1295
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,950
do not know what it is that I saw and I

1296
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:18,720
know that you know this is something

1297
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:21,210
that's happening globally yeah so

1298
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:23,819
anything was it like a set time that

1299
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:25,980
this was going on or has it continued in

1300
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:28,950
any way I have not seen I'm missing a

1301
00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:31,230
few things in that same area

1302
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,460
now I've I've had some interesting

1303
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,440
sightings or I've heard of cases that

1304
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:39,839
are on the opposite side of the valley

1305
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:43,440
and so you know I'm kind of expanding

1306
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,619
I'm looking trying to I've got a group

1307
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,720
of people that I can text on a dime and

1308
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:50,640
say okay get your equipment out there

1309
00:58:56,329 --> 00:58:53,130
let's figure out you know try to get

1310
00:58:59,509 --> 00:58:56,339
some some evidence some photos video

1311
00:59:01,999 --> 00:58:59,519
evidence figure stuff out it seems to

1312
00:59:05,690 --> 00:59:02,009
move around but when we were seeing this

1313
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:05,700
in 2013 it was the time was about dusk

1314
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,710
to about till about 11 o'clock at night

1315
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:10,799
and it would happen within that time

1316
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:13,890
frame hmm that's interesting it was only

1317
00:59:17,269 --> 00:59:15,630
in that in that time from did you stay

1318
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:17,279
up later to find out if it happened

1319
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,410
after that I tried to stay up as late as

1320
00:59:27,319 --> 00:59:21,359
I could but unfortunately my days as a

1321
00:59:28,759 --> 00:59:27,329
musician so I really thought musicians

1322
00:59:31,489 --> 00:59:28,769
stayed up to 4:00 in the morning oh

1323
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,499
that's funny I'm telling you I don't

1324
00:59:36,579 --> 00:59:32,880
know what happened but I've turned into

1325
00:59:38,749 --> 00:59:36,589
Grandma Moses it's just really frightful

1326
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:38,759
because you were talking earlier and I

1327
00:59:41,479 --> 00:59:40,049
kind of wanted to pursue that about

1328
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,489
various other things that happen

1329
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:43,440
paranormal events whatever psychic

1330
00:59:47,059 --> 00:59:45,450
events that happened around UFO

1331
00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:47,069
witnesses did that that happened to you

1332
00:59:52,009 --> 00:59:49,799
at all or anybody you knew I did have a

1333
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:52,019
series of interesting events I think my

1334
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:54,450
whole you know I've had strange events

1335
00:59:59,059 --> 00:59:56,150
like that my whole life but there were

1336
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,069
that you know strange electrical things

1337
01:00:04,819 --> 01:00:02,640
taking place oh my gosh I'm gonna have

1338
01:00:06,499 --> 01:00:04,829
to look I love to think back we did have

1339
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:06,509
my vote there's always been stuff like

1340
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:10,380
that so oh no no it's just it was a very

1341
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:14,130
interesting time for me and I think that

1342
01:00:19,609 --> 01:00:17,130
that just seeing that opened my eyes to

1343
01:00:20,849 --> 01:00:19,619
so many other things when you do your

1344
01:00:22,229 --> 01:00:20,859
research and MUFON does

1345
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:22,239
research do they address these

1346
01:00:27,989 --> 01:00:24,730
paranormal things or do they log them

1347
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:27,999
somehow into the database or is it is it

1348
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,710
considered something separate and and

1349
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:31,839
people don't and people won't deal with

1350
01:00:39,569 --> 01:00:35,410
it typically move fun doesn't

1351
01:00:43,049 --> 01:00:39,579
investigate the paranormal and for me

1352
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:43,059
have they talked to multiple witnesses

1353
01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:44,410
over the time I've been doing this I

1354
01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:46,150
believe that you have to look at all of

1355
01:00:51,989 --> 01:00:50,470
it and because we don't know you know we

1356
01:00:55,170 --> 01:00:51,999
don't know we don't understand where one

1357
01:00:57,239 --> 01:00:55,180
thing takes over and the other one you

1358
01:00:59,130 --> 01:00:57,249
know leaves off it's just we have to we

1359
01:01:01,259 --> 01:00:59,140
it's people that are trying to

1360
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:01,269
scientifically research something we

1361
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:03,460
have to look at every piece of evidence

1362
01:01:09,269 --> 01:01:07,119
we have now I've expressed this opinion

1363
01:01:11,549 --> 01:01:09,279
and maybe it follows from what you're

1364
01:01:13,319 --> 01:01:11,559
saying to that one of the problems and

1365
01:01:16,049 --> 01:01:13,329
UFO research is that we have tunnel

1366
01:01:19,799 --> 01:01:16,059
vision and as you say MUFON is not

1367
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:19,809
concentrating on these side events but

1368
01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:22,839
right now can we even define what a UAP

1369
01:01:28,979 --> 01:01:25,390
or UFO event is if we don't include them

1370
01:01:31,979 --> 01:01:28,989
as possibilities these other issues yeah

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01:01:34,769 --> 01:01:31,989
I don't believe that we can I think that

1372
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:34,779
we need to stop separating at night when

1373
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:37,619
I would have conversations with people

1374
01:01:44,059 --> 01:01:41,230
when I was state director about why we

1375
01:01:47,940 --> 01:01:44,069
were excluding things like this it was

1376
01:01:49,979 --> 01:01:47,950
people had the the idea that mainstream

1377
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:49,989
scientists wouldn't take us seriously if

1378
01:01:56,999 --> 01:01:53,369
we were talking about the paranormal and

1379
01:01:59,039 --> 01:01:57,009
my thought was I I don't know if they

1380
01:02:03,599 --> 01:01:59,049
ever will take us seriously we're

1381
01:02:05,249 --> 01:02:03,609
talking about yeah exactly why should

1382
01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:05,259
you care whether mainstream science

1383
01:02:08,489 --> 01:02:07,180
takes you serious or not because it

1384
01:02:11,309 --> 01:02:08,499
doesn't really matter it that just

1385
01:02:12,779 --> 01:02:11,319
holding you back exactly exactly and I

1386
01:02:16,589 --> 01:02:12,789
think that's kind of more of an maybe an

1387
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:16,599
ego Durbin thing I don't know well it's

1388
01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:19,630
kinda like the the disclosure thing to

1389
01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:21,160
me you're looking for approval from

1390
01:02:24,450 --> 01:02:22,749
people that you that you don't agree

1391
01:02:26,759 --> 01:02:24,460
with don't believe in and who don't

1392
01:02:29,249 --> 01:02:26,769
agree with you so why bother you know I

1393
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:29,259
think that's the thing that I just kind

1394
01:02:33,509 --> 01:02:31,210
of stood by with my mouth hanging open

1395
01:02:34,350 --> 01:02:33,519
half the time to watch some of these

1396
01:02:37,830 --> 01:02:34,360
debates on

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01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:37,840
Facebook pages from researchers and and

1398
01:02:44,070 --> 01:02:41,050
different people that it was oh my gosh

1399
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:44,080
it was it was just it's think of how

1400
01:02:49,770 --> 01:02:46,720
much time we waste trying on things

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:49,780
trying to you know prove that you're

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01:02:55,590 --> 01:02:52,810
right and and do the chest pounding you

1403
01:02:57,630 --> 01:02:55,600
know and and you know I I don't get it

1404
01:03:01,590 --> 01:02:57,640
it's not needed it doesn't accomplish

1405
01:03:04,350 --> 01:03:01,600
anything and I don't need to prove you

1406
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:04,360
know to anybody that there's merit in

1407
01:03:08,220 --> 01:03:06,310
what I'm saying let alone I mean it

1408
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,230
would be wonderful and hopefully at some

1409
01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:10,480
point in time the mainstream scientific

1410
01:03:14,910 --> 01:03:12,670
community will realize that yeah it's

1411
01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:14,920
happening and they better save face and

1412
01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:18,220
jump on board but it's not my main goal

1413
01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:20,350
in life to convince them I don't need to

1414
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:22,540
do that I'll collect research on my own

1415
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:24,940
we have more to talk about with Erica

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01:03:29,580 --> 01:03:27,850
Luke's our co-host is Greg Bishop Chris

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O'Brien is kind of under the weather

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this week after having a walkabout know

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a trip to California last week I lied

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his excuse he simply couldn't afford it

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completely with the laughter we have

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Erica Luke's it was a good sport because

1532
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we're driving her nuts and Greg Bishop

1533
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:21,600
we have a few questions from listeners

1534
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,480
that we'll get to as we continue now the

1535
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:27,120
dream is that mainstream science will

1536
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:30,570
latch on the UFOs and that's a dream

1537
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:32,930
that's been going on since the 50s

1538
01:08:37,849 --> 01:08:35,940
hasn't happened except for scattered

1539
01:08:40,670 --> 01:08:37,859
groups of scientists or individuals

1540
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:40,680
outliers as you were but if we're gonna

1541
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:43,170
look at UFOs is a more expansive mystery

1542
01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:46,710
not just the things seen in the sky or

1543
01:08:52,579 --> 01:08:48,660
occasionally landing or seeing a close

1544
01:08:54,170 --> 01:08:52,589
range but other weird things going on do

1545
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:54,180
you think anyone in science is going to

1546
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:56,850
look at that I think that science has

1547
01:09:03,070 --> 01:09:00,000
always been slow to change and I think

1548
01:09:05,090 --> 01:09:03,080
that they will but I don't necessarily

1549
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,100
you know I don't have time to wait

1550
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:06,480
around for that I don't think we have

1551
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:08,490
time to wait around for that I do

1552
01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:11,650
believe that when you get outside

1553
01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:14,020
of the United States you have a much

1554
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:18,040
more liberal viewpoint of this and you

1555
01:09:21,630 --> 01:09:19,330
also have other governments that are

1556
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:21,640
looking into this and wanting to

1557
01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:24,640
research it I always look at somebody

1558
01:09:29,610 --> 01:09:26,500
for me who I think is incredibly

1559
01:09:33,090 --> 01:09:29,620
important in this field is Airlink

1560
01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:33,100
strand over at Hesh Talon and to see

1561
01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:35,949
such a really hardcore scientist who was

1562
01:09:41,309 --> 01:09:38,440
he and his team have collected 30 years

1563
01:09:46,169 --> 01:09:41,319
of data I mean this is hard scientific

1564
01:09:49,530 --> 01:09:46,179
data so he's been relentless in doing

1565
01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:49,540
this and they've opened a lot of eyes

1566
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:52,750
and I think this is great I believe that

1567
01:09:58,740 --> 01:09:55,510
he's also been very careful about the

1568
01:10:01,260 --> 01:09:58,750
way he disseminates information knowing

1569
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:01,270
that the scientific community perhaps is

1570
01:10:07,649 --> 01:10:04,630
looking at things from a very skeptical

1571
01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:07,659
point of view but it's it's working with

1572
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:10,500
people like airline and other

1573
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:13,510
researchers maybe on a global level that

1574
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:16,570
we can really make good change but right

1575
01:10:21,930 --> 01:10:19,840
now when you talk to mainstream news

1576
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,940
sources for the most part except for a

1577
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:24,159
few of the exceptions when you express

1578
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:26,530
an interest in you ap UFO or whatever

1579
01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:30,310
you are an ET believer inevitably you're

1580
01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:33,820
an ET believer at CT eating eating I'm

1581
01:10:38,669 --> 01:10:36,760
pretty sick of it mainstream media with

1582
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:38,679
regards to that I mean it just I'm sure

1583
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:41,110
you feel the same way it makes me really

1584
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:43,690
angry at the fact that they're so

1585
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:46,480
belittling of something and they're yeah

1586
01:10:52,350 --> 01:10:49,210
they go straight to that et phone home

1587
01:10:54,510 --> 01:10:52,360
kind of nonsense and it's just that

1588
01:10:57,300 --> 01:10:54,520
needs to stop and I think people in

1589
01:11:01,470 --> 01:10:57,310
mainstream media need to understand that

1590
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:01,480
that this is a very real thing and it

1591
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:03,610
deserves respect and the people that

1592
01:11:06,959 --> 01:11:05,920
come forward deserve respect because

1593
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:06,969
that takes a lot of guts

1594
01:11:13,169 --> 01:11:10,510
so maybe science is picking up on it but

1595
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,179
what can an organization like MUFON do

1596
01:11:18,990 --> 01:11:16,000
to change the way things are happening

1597
01:11:23,370 --> 01:11:19,000
again I keep saying they started in 1969

1598
01:11:25,589 --> 01:11:23,380
it's 2016 and when you go to the site

1599
01:11:29,819 --> 01:11:25,599
you don't see a change really

1600
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:29,829
the way they're focused you know I hope

1601
01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:32,460
that that will change I do believe that

1602
01:11:38,879 --> 01:11:35,590
the executive director of MUFON Jan

1603
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:38,889
Tarzan is understands that and is trying

1604
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:42,130
to work on things I do believe

1605
01:11:47,459 --> 01:11:44,409
personally that for me and for other

1606
01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:47,469
people that was frustrating because we

1607
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:50,260
do have I mean with 40 years of cases we

1608
01:11:56,339 --> 01:11:53,770
need we need to know what we're put

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01:11:58,770 --> 01:11:56,349
those cases together let let us all see

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01:12:00,359 --> 01:11:58,780
the research that has been done I would

1611
01:12:02,879 --> 01:12:00,369
like that I think that's important I

1612
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:02,889
know that Robert Powell and a scientific

1613
01:12:06,930 --> 01:12:04,510
review board like I was saying earlier

1614
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:06,940
they have the top 10 cases of the year

1615
01:12:12,689 --> 01:12:10,090
that come out and that's great I'm

1616
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:12,699
hoping that my latest case will be in

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01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:15,489
the top 10 because it was such a just a

1618
01:12:22,740 --> 01:12:19,510
fascinating case but we will we'll see I

1619
01:12:24,899 --> 01:12:22,750
hope I been planning on with my group

1620
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:24,909
here I'm not really hoping and I'm

1621
01:12:28,890 --> 01:12:26,409
keeping my fingers crossed that we can

1622
01:12:32,490 --> 01:12:28,900
make good contributions and we will

1623
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:32,500
share our research with people let's

1624
01:12:38,370 --> 01:12:34,690
talk more about the utah UFO research

1625
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:38,380
project how did you first begin to get

1626
01:12:43,109 --> 01:12:39,940
connected with this organization are you

1627
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:43,119
the founder i am you know i when i

1628
01:12:48,959 --> 01:12:45,790
resigned as state director from MUFON I

1629
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:48,969
wanted to have some sort of support

1630
01:12:57,149 --> 01:12:52,090
system for my organization here and so I

1631
01:13:01,260 --> 01:12:57,159
reached out to butch and he was he's

1632
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:01,270
with the the UFO research center back

1633
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:03,310
east and I wanted to just how was that

1634
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:05,170
again the research kind of it was its

1635
01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:09,820
Butch Bukowski oh stop all right you've

1636
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,590
heard about the problems with Butch I

1637
01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:14,560
have I you know and I don't again this

1638
01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:17,980
is I just there's I get there's so many

1639
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,020
problems with everybody in this field

1640
01:13:24,419 --> 01:13:21,760
and I don't know he's been incredible to

1641
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:24,429
me right the problem is here is that

1642
01:13:29,490 --> 01:13:26,710
there are allegations that he has not

1643
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:29,500
satisfactorily refuted but a lot of his

1644
01:13:36,450 --> 01:13:32,800
credentials are fake you know I've heard

1645
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,460
that and I don't that's not I think that

1646
01:13:39,330 --> 01:13:38,320
there are so many allegations of so many

1647
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:39,340
people in

1648
01:13:44,339 --> 01:13:41,500
filled that I don't I don't know

1649
01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:44,349
necessarily I don't I don't care because

1650
01:13:49,169 --> 01:13:46,710
what I want to do is establish an

1651
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:49,179
organization if I get help from that

1652
01:13:55,740 --> 01:13:51,610
team that's great there are many other

1653
01:13:58,350 --> 01:13:55,750
people that work with him and with the

1654
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:58,360
organization and move on to that can be

1655
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:01,360
of assistance to me and what we're doing

1656
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:02,710
here and that's great

1657
01:14:09,629 --> 01:14:06,190
so I'm you know I for me I got so fed up

1658
01:14:11,370 --> 01:14:09,639
with the the kind of drama with regards

1659
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:11,380
to that who's saying who about who and

1660
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:13,510
who didn't do it I mean that I just I

1661
01:14:18,109 --> 01:14:16,449
don't I don't care right but what if

1662
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:18,119
those allegations are true

1663
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:22,719
well they that's is great and maybe they

1664
01:14:30,930 --> 01:14:25,360
are but it doesn't affect what I'm doing

1665
01:14:33,330 --> 01:14:30,940
here so if that makes sense because it's

1666
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:33,340
not my my investigations or my

1667
01:14:38,339 --> 01:14:36,130
investigations they're part of my team

1668
01:14:41,939 --> 01:14:38,349
my team does the work the work stays

1669
01:14:45,930 --> 01:14:41,949
with my team and we have complete

1670
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:45,940
control over what happens now

1671
01:14:53,419 --> 01:14:48,400
you were once a state director of MUFON

1672
01:14:57,089 --> 01:14:53,429
yes you're not any longer why for me I

1673
01:14:59,850 --> 01:14:57,099
it was a series of things I felt that I

1674
01:15:02,820 --> 01:14:59,860
wasn't necessarily being supported in

1675
01:15:06,270 --> 01:15:02,830
the way that I needed to be we had a

1676
01:15:08,910 --> 01:15:06,280
pretty big case that came out and I was

1677
01:15:12,660 --> 01:15:08,920
hoping you know some things happened and

1678
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:12,670
I really I just I made the decision that

1679
01:15:17,399 --> 01:15:14,320
I was dealing with too much negativity

1680
01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:17,409
and it wasn't productive for me or what

1681
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:20,020
I was trying to do and I really sat back

1682
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:21,550
and it was a hard decision for me

1683
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:23,679
because I'd worked my butt off to

1684
01:15:30,839 --> 01:15:29,050
establish a chapter to move Utah out to

1685
01:15:33,870 --> 01:15:30,849
an international spotlight so it was

1686
01:15:37,290 --> 01:15:33,880
getting attention that it deserved but I

1687
01:15:41,729 --> 01:15:37,300
finally said I am I have better ways to

1688
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:41,739
serve this community and it's not it's

1689
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:46,210
not this so it was a hard thing yeah

1690
01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:47,679
well it's it's I'm glad you did that

1691
01:15:53,130 --> 01:15:51,790
because a while ago I gave us a talk

1692
01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:53,140
that was not very well

1693
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:55,000
where I said that very small group

1694
01:15:59,760 --> 01:15:56,320
should break off and do their own

1695
01:16:02,190 --> 01:15:59,770
research and then present it to the you

1696
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:02,200
know to the greater community and see

1697
01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:03,250
what they can do with it can you

1698
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:06,280
reproduce this is this useful but to not

1699
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:07,810
do it under a large umbrella where

1700
01:16:11,790 --> 01:16:09,670
you're being directed by people to do

1701
01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:11,800
certain things do you see that as

1702
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:13,390
something important going forward in the

1703
01:16:17,010 --> 01:16:14,650
future to have these smaller groups

1704
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:17,020
doing their own research Erica let's

1705
01:16:21,780 --> 01:16:19,330
have that answer our next segment okay

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all right we have Greg Bishop as our

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guest co-host Chris or Brian's under the

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01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:25,900
weather this week our guest is Erica

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01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:38,150
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question of Erika Erika your response

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01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:46,369
okay you have to ask me the question

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again what I was asking was that you

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just said that you had broken off from

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MUFON you had to do your you felt like

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that you needed to do your own work and

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01:21:59,560 --> 01:21:57,499
I was saying do you think this is good

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for the future of the subject to have

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small groups breaking off and doing

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their own research doing good research

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and then coming back with it to the

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greater community and saying you know

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what do you think of this and how

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valuable is it and can you reproduce it

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01:22:16,899 --> 01:22:15,050
for me I think that you know and I still

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01:22:18,909 --> 01:22:16,909
I just have to say that I am still

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technically a field investigator for

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01:22:25,929 --> 01:22:22,309
MUFON and so but I just stepping back

1842
01:22:29,409 --> 01:22:25,939
and doing my own thing I think that when

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you have smaller groups I think that we

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need to establish one community I really

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feel that and I feel that we need to

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like I was saying we need to have

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specific protocols for investigations

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01:22:46,209 --> 01:22:41,659
and we need to be able to share that so

1849
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:46,219
I do worry that smaller groups will tend

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01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:48,110
to isolate themselves more and not do

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01:22:54,459 --> 01:22:50,030
that and I don't think that helps

1852
01:22:57,219 --> 01:22:54,469
anything so at some point in time I hope

1853
01:22:59,049 --> 01:22:57,229
we can have a cohesive unit and for me

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01:23:00,549 --> 01:22:59,059
when I'm doing you know any of my

1855
01:23:01,989 --> 01:23:00,559
research here I mean there's not a day

1856
01:23:05,799 --> 01:23:01,999
that goes by that I'm not talking to

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01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:05,809
somebody from all over the world trying

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01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:06,080
to

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01:23:17,730 --> 01:23:15,050
just seems that any whenever these

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communities get together people get so

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01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:20,330
what's the word they get territorial

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01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:22,610
about their stuff and that that that

1863
01:23:26,530 --> 01:23:25,310
seems to break them apart so for myself

1864
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:26,540
I don't even know what the answer is

1865
01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:29,210
except for that the good research will

1866
01:23:33,010 --> 01:23:31,070
rise to the top and the people that are

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01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:33,020
gonna find are gonna fight I mean III

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01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:34,490
don't know the ends are either

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01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:36,530
you know what form could that take where

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where you would have some sort of an

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organization that's cohesive that is

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that doesn't start to break apart like

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that I think its nature organizations to

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do that almost I think it is and I think

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especially when you have a larger

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organization and you know especially

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when you have people that are

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volunteering their time and they're

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they're committing resources and it's

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it's just a hard thing to run a

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non-for-profit organization it's a hard

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thing to manage people as we all know I

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do think though that it's it's important

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and we we have to just stop looking at

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this as I'm you know this is mine you

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know I'm the researcher here and I need

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all the credit for it know this is us

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this is all of us doing this together

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because somebody's going to have a

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different perspective that will turn a

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light on and then put connect the pieces

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of the puzzle and that's vital and I do

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feel that there is an awful lot of ego

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in this field and in the scientific

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community and I think that we have to

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rise above that to make great

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contributions mm-hmm actually that leads

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into one of the questions from the forum

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from daivam if I can ask it it's a

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three-part question but the relevant

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part and and Dave I'll ask the other

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part he asked that as a member and

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director of MUFON do you feel that

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research researchers should be paid to

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investigate rather than just being

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volunteers well I would certainly like

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that because I would be making a lot of

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money Lord Almighty you know I mean I I

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I think that would be great I don't

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foresee that happening anytime soon

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I think that it's hard enough for

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mainstream scientists to get funding for

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things but it would certainly be nice

1914
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because we work really hard mm-hmm the

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other part of this question was your

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website mentions the skinwalker ranch

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have you personally been on the property

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01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:37,670
and if so what can you tell us about

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01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:40,610
your trip so I've been on the periphery

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of skinwalker ranch and and since it's

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private property and you know we've got

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the security guards going on around

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there I mean I would never trespass as

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intriguing as it might be but you know I

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do have ongoing investigations up in

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that area the whole area not just

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01:26:06,010 --> 01:26:02,840
skinwalker ranch is an active location I

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think that that's something that is it's

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been going on for hundreds of years this

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isn't anything new I do find the fact

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that we have so much so many different

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01:26:21,220 --> 01:26:17,180
types of phenomena in this area

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intriguing I believe that what is there

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01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:24,680
is not necessarily a good thing that is

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01:26:28,540 --> 01:26:26,930
my belief you know that's not that's

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01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:28,550
just after looking at what has happened

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01:26:33,340 --> 01:26:30,440
to all of the cattle ranchers in the

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area people have been terrorized and not

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01:26:40,270 --> 01:26:38,000
just that the schurmans but wow what a

1940
01:26:43,540 --> 01:26:40,280
crazy place please yeah do you think

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that the that they've increased since

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01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,810
those people have been there and the

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research has been going on there or was

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itwas or is it basically just as crazy

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as it ever was

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01:26:53,740 --> 01:26:52,070
what I'm getting at really is do you

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think that the researchers have affected

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the area in some way to change what was

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01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:00,320
going on I don't I don't I wouldn't

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01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:03,890
believe so I don't think this whatever

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01:27:08,410 --> 01:27:05,800
is taking place there necessarily cares

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01:27:11,410 --> 01:27:08,420
about the researchers there I think it's

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01:27:15,340 --> 01:27:11,420
judo it's just gonna do its own thing

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and yeah there is an interaction it'll

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01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,820
play that's trickster you know they'll

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01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:19,520
play with with people but I definitely

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you know I talked to George Knapp a few

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01:27:28,270 --> 01:27:26,600
months ago and and he feels that

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01:27:30,910 --> 01:27:28,280
whatever's happened at skinwalker ranch

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01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:30,920
that the major activity has kind of died

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01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:33,410
off I don't know if that

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01:27:38,830 --> 01:27:36,410
the case I he's always been very helpful

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01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:38,840
to me so I would think so but I think

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that you know you're finding that there

1965
01:27:46,150 --> 01:27:43,390
are other areas where you're seeing

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01:27:48,850 --> 01:27:46,160
perhaps increases in what's taking place

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01:27:51,150 --> 01:27:48,860
I mean I still get reports of cattle

1968
01:27:54,430 --> 01:27:51,160
mutilations strange balls of light

1969
01:28:00,340 --> 01:27:54,440
strange creatures increased military

1970
01:28:03,250 --> 01:28:00,350
presence so it's lots good stuff going

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01:28:06,430 --> 01:28:03,260
on up there all right this is from

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01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:06,440
Specter 73 Erica are you aware of any

1973
01:28:11,140 --> 01:28:08,450
solid UFO cases that originate from

1974
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:11,150
China or India with so many people in

1975
01:28:14,710 --> 01:28:12,290
these countries should there be more

1976
01:28:16,420 --> 01:28:14,720
sightings or is it a case of no one to

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01:28:17,710 --> 01:28:16,430
report to or that their culture view any

1978
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:17,720
sightings in a completely different

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01:28:22,660 --> 01:28:19,760
context Wow

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that's beautifully put question you know

1981
01:28:29,260 --> 01:28:25,760
what honestly I don't I try to focus on

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01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:29,270
what's taking place in Utah and specific

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01:28:34,210 --> 01:28:31,130
hotspots around the world with regards

1984
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:34,220
to the orb phenomenon I don't when you

1985
01:28:38,650 --> 01:28:37,130
when I see cases I don't really delve

1986
01:28:42,490 --> 01:28:38,660
into them to see if they're credible

1987
01:28:45,670 --> 01:28:42,500
cases in China and India I do think that

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01:28:49,630 --> 01:28:45,680
it is fascinating you know when you look

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at just some of the cultural aspects of

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things how cultures have always known

1991
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that these things were taking place you

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01:28:59,770 --> 01:28:57,770
know in India I believe you know in

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Australia the indigenous people

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understood that there was something

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taking place and they had different

1996
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terminology for it it's just it's all

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things cool but if you've got any good

1998
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:10,910
cases from China and India I would love

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to hear about them mm-hmm yeah there's

2000
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:20,000
there is a base of researchers in China

2001
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:21,770
but not too much of their research gets

2002
01:29:26,770 --> 01:29:23,570
out India I'm not sure I haven't heard

2003
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:26,780
too much from India we really need

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organizations in these countries we

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01:29:34,060 --> 01:29:32,030
definitely need iton to my knowledge I

2006
01:29:37,690 --> 01:29:34,070
don't know if we have a big if there's a

2007
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big presence in India where people felt

2008
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feel like they could go report sightings

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mm-hmm so hopefully you know MUFON will

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01:29:47,049 --> 01:29:45,200
address that or some of the larger

2011
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organizations can do that get

2012
01:29:53,919 --> 01:29:50,679
chapters in areas so people can report

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yeah they just more to go where the the

2014
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stuff isn't gonna be just thrown down a

2015
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well and nobody's ever gonna see it

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publicly I will continue with those

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questions in a minute I was gonna ask

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about the database question because

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that's been a Bugaboo of mine for a

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sec these are my orders you shall obey

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obey obey this is not a recording you

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have Erica Luke's Chris O'Brien's under

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the weather so we have Greg Bishop

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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he's suffering from the creeping rot

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ladies and gentlemen I didn't want to

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bring that up because that is a strange

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disease at the Centers for Disease

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Control are trying to pretend does not

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exist we know better right grades of

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Aircast virus oh is that it very you

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know

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traumatic whatever you're going through

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understand internet rumor is there any

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truth to the claim but the para Cass

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virus hacked Hillary Clinton's private

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email server see we're just hearing

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crickets yep you'll have to ask the FBI

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and they're not gonna tell you it's as

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if they even know right I mean so many

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government servers have been hacked who

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know yeah it's yeah if you work for the

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government that was a big worry a couple

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years ago - apparently China hacked and

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it got a whole bunch of information on

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government employees but they never get

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01:36:19,250 --> 01:36:16,080
information about UFOs why if they do

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they probably keep it to themselves and

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also because they probably realize when

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they get the information that it's

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everything UFO researchers are looking

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at anyway it's just a lot more of it

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that's all that's always strange isn't

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it we never see an actual smoking gun or

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very significant revelation it's just

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another sighting yeah well I think

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that's all they have I don't know what

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Erika thinks but I think what the

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disclosures trying to get is what

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they're gonna get is more more sightings

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and more analysis and not we know this

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and we know that it's more like we don't

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know and we don't really know what to do

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with it and I think that's that's what's

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being kept secret not not that there's

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aliens here or whatever but leaving that

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almost aside so yeah the disclosure is

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there basically they're saying we will

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not we will not accept any information

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unless it agrees with what our

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preconception is and if you tell us it's

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something that we don't think it is then

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it's a cover-up it's like asking

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somebody it lies to you all the time to

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tell you the truth and not believing

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01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:21,960
them unless they tell you what what you

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want to hear so that's that there's

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there's my rant on on disclosure however

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we were talking about databases

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or I was talking about it Erica do you

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think that there's any possible way to

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get every database all the different

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ones you know together and also you know

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what can be done with it afterwards I

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think you know some kind of analysis can

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be done that hasn't been done before in

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01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:50,280
a way that we haven't been able to to

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01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:52,530
reveal patterns that have you know not

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01:37:58,670 --> 01:37:55,290
not been noticed before what do you

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think about the database problem oh boy

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you know I I know that when we were

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going through the the MUFON database for

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from but the orange orb research project

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it was challenging because we had people

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that were either dismissing cases even

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though the these objects were clearly

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moving against the wind and we're not

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behaving like certain man-made objects

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01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:27,510
so it's it's it's not only just the

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locating access to the data it's having

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good data in there to begin with and so

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I think it's it's them we've got a lot

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of different things we need to look at

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we need to look at educating people that

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01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:42,780
are investigating this better we need to

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01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:46,560
have it we need to make sure that people

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01:38:53,150 --> 01:38:49,170
are investigating this without imposing

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01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:53,160
their belief systems into investigations

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which is easy to happen I mean I think

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we're all guilty of that but it needs to

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01:39:04,820 --> 01:39:01,800
be it needs to be cohesive we need to

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have we can we can make the connections

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you know I think that's what we have to

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strive for

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I mean I've we found numerous places all

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over the world where there were repeated

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types of sightings taking place and so

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for me what my goal is with my team is

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to take all of the sightings clusters

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and then layer the maps to try to figure

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01:39:32,380 --> 01:39:30,120
out whether you've got areas where if

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01:39:35,900 --> 01:39:32,390
the gravitational anomalies are there

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01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:35,910
minds that have specific things called

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copper what what's taking place with the

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01:39:43,180 --> 01:39:42,000
body of water what Native American

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01:39:45,459 --> 01:39:43,190
reservations are in this

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01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:45,469
specific area especially here in the

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01:39:52,260 --> 01:39:48,560
United States there are there patterns

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and we have to identify those patterns

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01:39:59,410 --> 01:39:57,500
whether time of year what else all kinds

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01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,420
of things these factors that nobody

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01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:02,000
really takes into account I think and

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01:40:05,740 --> 01:40:03,710
not because something you know somebody

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they would see something because there's

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clouds or there we you know the weather

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01:40:13,390 --> 01:40:11,120
would affect the siding but if there's a

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pattern globally maybe you know dealing

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with some kind of population or is it

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rural or is it more educated or less

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educated and all that I think there's a

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01:40:24,580 --> 01:40:23,060
lot of little data points that may be

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01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:24,590
significant that people have been

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01:40:29,410 --> 01:40:26,570
ignoring because they keep an eye on one

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thing do you agree I absolutely agree

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and I also know that it is it's really

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it's very time prohibiting it takes a

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01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:42,530
big commitment financially and just to

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01:40:46,959 --> 01:40:45,050
go in and start analyzing stuff but I

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01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:46,969
think that that needs to be a priority I

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01:40:50,979 --> 01:40:48,380
think people need to be put in place

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01:40:56,380 --> 01:40:50,989
that can specifically analyze data and

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then release the findings mm-hmm so you

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01:41:03,100 --> 01:40:59,500
know investigators can work with that

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01:41:05,950 --> 01:41:03,110
yeah you would hope there's still the

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01:41:06,939 --> 01:41:05,960
ego thing - I was asked on the show the

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other day you know what do you think

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it's important about this and I said I

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01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,270
noticed that when I get emotional about

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01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:13,520
a response I know there must be

2276
01:41:18,270 --> 01:41:15,170
something wrong with my opinion because

2277
01:41:22,959 --> 01:41:18,280
I've been I'm being emotional about it

2278
01:41:24,729 --> 01:41:22,969
do you think that is that is that a do

2279
01:41:26,050 --> 01:41:24,739
you agree with that because as soon as

2280
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:26,060
you get emotional it means you're trying

2281
01:41:30,010 --> 01:41:27,770
to defend something which means you're

2282
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:30,020
not totally comfortable with it I think

2283
01:41:35,620 --> 01:41:33,440
that's a brilliant point absolutely but

2284
01:41:38,050 --> 01:41:35,630
I do think that this is such a you know

2285
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:38,060
I can understand people getting

2286
01:41:43,180 --> 01:41:41,210
emotional of a word fowl and and that's

2287
01:41:46,209 --> 01:41:43,190
we were more passionate about something

2288
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,219
there are a lot of emotions that come

2289
01:41:50,770 --> 01:41:48,080
into play which is hard but when you

2290
01:41:53,979 --> 01:41:50,780
when you step aside and step back and

2291
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:53,989
and just analyze data then you can

2292
01:42:02,200 --> 01:41:56,730
separate yourself from

2293
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:04,400
got more questions a couple more

2294
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:07,050
questions from the listeners if we can

2295
01:42:11,300 --> 01:42:10,260
go on with those absolutely Greg but let

2296
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:11,310
me tell you how these questions

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01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:13,920
magically appear we have the official

2298
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,170
power cast forums at forum dot to the

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power cast comm that's formed up the

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01:42:23,570 --> 01:42:20,520
power cast comm and all you have to do

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01:42:27,380 --> 01:42:23,580
neighbors is to look for the question

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01:42:29,060 --> 01:42:27,390
Bank in the forum and each week when we

2303
01:42:31,940 --> 01:42:29,070
have enough warning about a guest we

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01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:31,950
post a topic or a thread there so you

2305
01:42:36,140 --> 01:42:34,410
just have to ask your question and we'll

2306
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:36,150
try to get to it during the course of

2307
01:42:40,370 --> 01:42:37,440
the show sometimes we get more questions

2308
01:42:43,610 --> 01:42:40,380
that we can handle but we do our best go

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01:42:47,450 --> 01:42:43,620
ahead please one of the listeners is on

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01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:47,460
the forums his name ufology great great

2311
01:42:52,670 --> 01:42:49,590
handle looking at the American Airlines

2312
01:42:54,440 --> 01:42:52,680
434 case which I haven't heard of are

2313
01:42:56,540 --> 01:42:54,450
you the opinion that the big orange were

2314
01:42:59,090 --> 01:42:56,550
the pilot requested info on was not

2315
01:43:01,940 --> 01:42:59,100
simply Nephi Utah as indicated in the

2316
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:01,950
audio and if not what happens evidence

2317
01:43:06,050 --> 01:43:03,930
is there that the pilot was asking for

2318
01:43:08,420 --> 01:43:06,060
info was actually a UFO or for that

2319
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:08,430
matter any type of you ap the case that

2320
01:43:14,540 --> 01:43:10,770
he's referring to as a case that that I

2321
01:43:17,420 --> 01:43:14,550
became aware of I have a friend who is a

2322
01:43:21,110 --> 01:43:17,430
ham radio operator and he overheard a

2323
01:43:24,260 --> 01:43:21,120
transmission after midnight and the

2324
01:43:26,270 --> 01:43:24,270
transmission was so strange to him had

2325
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:26,280
been you know scanning ham frequencies

2326
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:28,650
for 20-plus years was proficient at it

2327
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:31,560
and it was there was a transmission that

2328
01:43:37,580 --> 01:43:34,560
he overheard where the airline didn't

2329
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:37,590
announce themselves which is really

2330
01:43:42,830 --> 01:43:39,450
unusual but then there was an exchange

2331
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:42,840
between the pilot and the Salt Lake

2332
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:44,730
approached Hauer asking if they had the

2333
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:47,450
object on radar then there was another

2334
01:43:53,300 --> 01:43:50,370
conversation which we did obtain through

2335
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:53,310
the ATC website and later a FOIA request

2336
01:44:00,050 --> 01:43:56,280
where the pilot says you know do you

2337
01:44:02,060 --> 01:44:00,060
have this object or you know can retire

2338
01:44:05,420 --> 01:44:02,070
he talks about this large orange square

2339
01:44:07,220 --> 01:44:05,430
and then he has another bit where you

2340
01:44:08,500 --> 01:44:07,230
know that he says what is the closest

2341
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:08,510
town and

2342
01:44:14,799 --> 01:44:11,449
that controller says oh that's me Phi

2343
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:14,809
Utah so I don't believe that the pilot

2344
01:44:21,549 --> 01:44:17,360
was seeing Nephi Utah he'd been watching

2345
01:44:24,330 --> 01:44:21,559
this object as stated on the audio for

2346
01:44:26,410 --> 01:44:24,340
quite some time he is in all likelihood

2347
01:44:29,500 --> 01:44:26,420
somebody that has flown this route

2348
01:44:31,959 --> 01:44:29,510
before and is used to seeing what cities

2349
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:31,969
look like Nephi is not that big of a

2350
01:44:39,759 --> 01:44:35,690
town I believe that he was seeing

2351
01:44:42,450 --> 01:44:39,769
something truly anomalous and we have

2352
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:42,460
the radar returns to back it up mm-hmm

2353
01:44:46,660 --> 01:44:45,110
okay there's one more question it's kind

2354
01:44:48,250 --> 01:44:46,670
of a long one I think I'm gonna try and

2355
01:44:51,759 --> 01:44:48,260
cut it down a little bit from Eric the

2356
01:44:54,009 --> 01:44:51,769
red and it's about abduction research

2357
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:54,019
let's put that in the next segment okay

2358
01:44:58,120 --> 01:44:55,730
this way you can take your time with the

2359
01:45:00,100 --> 01:44:58,130
question before we take any more of your

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time let me tell you that we'd like you

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here's Jane Steinberg Greg is showing

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off his great mic filter skills this is

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like he wants to perfect the shadow

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laughs from the 1940s and 1950s radio

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show oh dear like Donald Trump we didn't

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01:48:32,049 --> 01:48:29,940
want to talk about small hands and about

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01:48:34,729 --> 01:48:32,059
the significance of those small hands oh

2426
01:48:37,939 --> 01:48:34,739
dear we don't want to discuss the size

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01:48:39,649 --> 01:48:37,949
of the brain that's true and whether

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01:48:41,959 --> 01:48:39,659
that makes any difference but we do want

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01:48:43,790 --> 01:48:41,969
to discuss a long question that Greg was

2430
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:43,800
gonna ask from one of our listeners Greg

2431
01:48:49,549 --> 01:48:46,170
okay yeah this is from Eric the red

2432
01:48:51,770 --> 01:48:49,559
who's I recognize from the forums the

2433
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:51,780
evidence base for alien abductions is

2434
01:48:55,580 --> 01:48:54,090
plagued by methodological problems

2435
01:48:57,049 --> 01:48:55,590
including true believer therapist

2436
01:48:58,459 --> 01:48:57,059
leading clients and to false beliefs

2437
01:49:00,859 --> 01:48:58,469
experience or support groups that

2438
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:00,869
reinforce a reward conformity to

2439
01:49:05,060 --> 01:49:02,489
establish narratives the questionable

2440
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:05,070
used of hypnosis is it arguable that

2441
01:49:08,959 --> 01:49:07,170
these and other mistakes undermine

2442
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:08,969
perhaps fatally the work done by

2443
01:49:13,250 --> 01:49:11,489
virtually all abduction researchers from

2444
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:13,260
Leo sprinkle to David Jacobs and Budd

2445
01:49:17,899 --> 01:49:15,599
Hopkins and others even worse alien

2446
01:49:19,759 --> 01:49:17,909
abduction has become nothing less than a

2447
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:19,769
kind of religious cult to therapists and

2448
01:49:24,290 --> 01:49:22,170
reached alleged experiencers in spite of

2449
01:49:26,299 --> 01:49:24,300
this reality what do you propose to do

2450
01:49:29,629 --> 01:49:26,309
to improve the scientific validity of

2451
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:29,639
this research I think that that is a

2452
01:49:34,279 --> 01:49:31,710
wonderful question I think brics brings

2453
01:49:36,500 --> 01:49:34,289
up lots of issues and and to me if these

2454
01:49:39,259 --> 01:49:36,510
are issues that not only plagued the

2455
01:49:41,930 --> 01:49:39,269
abduction research community but our

2456
01:49:45,319 --> 01:49:41,940
whole community in general at everything

2457
01:49:48,490 --> 01:49:45,329
and that's why I feel it is imperative

2458
01:49:51,620 --> 01:49:48,500
that we work together that we begin to

2459
01:49:55,049 --> 01:49:51,630
create very strict standardized

2460
01:49:59,790 --> 01:49:55,059
protocols not only for abduction Rhys

2461
01:50:02,220 --> 01:49:59,800
but for UFO investigations that will be

2462
01:50:04,620 --> 01:50:02,230
by doing that and having people that are

2463
01:50:07,229 --> 01:50:04,630
really the elite people in the field

2464
01:50:09,779 --> 01:50:07,239
working together to establish those

2465
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,789
protocols and to educate people that are

2466
01:50:15,930 --> 01:50:11,520
investigating I think that's going to be

2467
01:50:19,169 --> 01:50:15,940
vital to success I do think that it is

2468
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:19,179
always easy when somebody has something

2469
01:50:23,310 --> 01:50:21,210
like this that happens to them that is

2470
01:50:26,370 --> 01:50:23,320
terrorising I mean of course they need

2471
01:50:29,359 --> 01:50:26,380
people to support them and so I think

2472
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:29,369
that support groups are very beneficial

2473
01:50:34,140 --> 01:50:31,599
for some of these people who feel

2474
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:34,150
isolated I'm not saying all of them are

2475
01:50:38,669 --> 01:50:36,130
but I definitely think there are many

2476
01:50:40,350 --> 01:50:38,679
support groups out there that are doing

2477
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:40,360
the best they can and they're needed

2478
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:43,119
because these people need need need help

2479
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:45,130
they need to know that they're okay and

2480
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:47,920
they need a place to talk about what's

2481
01:50:52,350 --> 01:50:50,650
happened to them for specifics what do

2482
01:50:54,660 --> 01:50:52,360
you think that what do you think can

2483
01:50:56,959 --> 01:50:54,670
change what do you think methodology

2484
01:50:59,279 --> 01:50:56,969
methodology should be and what kind of

2485
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:59,289
questions should be asked and what kind

2486
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:01,599
of questions should not be asked anymore

2487
01:51:08,939 --> 01:51:06,400
oh boy I think that what Kathleen Martin

2488
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:08,949
was is doing with MUFON and the the

2489
01:51:14,580 --> 01:51:10,960
experience or research team I think that

2490
01:51:17,279 --> 01:51:14,590
that the questions that they have for

2491
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:17,289
the experiencer questionnaire that you

2492
01:51:21,839 --> 01:51:19,570
take when you go to MUFON I believe that

2493
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:21,849
those are very good kind of

2494
01:51:26,729 --> 01:51:24,610
cut-and-dried questions and I believe

2495
01:51:30,510 --> 01:51:26,739
that those the answers to those

2496
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:30,520
questions then allow people Kathleen the

2497
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:32,800
group to make a determination as to

2498
01:51:37,979 --> 01:51:35,530
whether there is validity with what same

2499
01:51:40,109 --> 01:51:37,989
place so I think that they do they do a

2500
01:51:42,299 --> 01:51:40,119
good job with that I think Kathleen's

2501
01:51:45,029 --> 01:51:42,309
worked really hard at that yeah I think

2502
01:51:46,830 --> 01:51:45,039
that we always can improve things and I

2503
01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:46,840
think that that's what they're trying to

2504
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:49,000
do what we're trying to do unless it's

2505
01:51:53,490 --> 01:51:51,070
not you're not allowed to what kind of

2506
01:51:54,689 --> 01:51:53,500
questions are on there and how are they

2507
01:51:57,959 --> 01:51:54,699
different than what's been asked in the

2508
01:52:00,240 --> 01:51:57,969
past it's a longer questionnaire I mean

2509
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:00,250
it's just have you had different types

2510
01:52:04,919 --> 01:52:03,130
of sightings have you experienced things

2511
01:52:08,780 --> 01:52:04,929
in your home I mean it's oh my gosh it's

2512
01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:08,790
a quite a lengthy questionnaire and

2513
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:11,940
so anybody can go to that if they go to

2514
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:16,050
MUFON experience her survey and you can

2515
01:52:20,110 --> 01:52:17,370
see the question so I would definitely

2516
01:52:22,910 --> 01:52:20,120
say do that they've worked really hard

2517
01:52:25,130 --> 01:52:22,920
because I've had this idea for a while

2518
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:25,140
that people should ask and this goes

2519
01:52:28,730 --> 01:52:26,400
back to the you know the the witness

2520
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:28,740
questionnaire people should ask what was

2521
01:52:32,930 --> 01:52:30,810
going on in your life before what was

2522
01:52:35,930 --> 01:52:32,940
going on right before things like that

2523
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:35,940
and then with regards to abductors or

2524
01:52:38,780 --> 01:52:37,410
whatever you want to call them and I

2525
01:52:40,700 --> 01:52:38,790
don't know if this is addressed in the

2526
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:40,710
question here but you know kind of what

2527
01:52:46,030 --> 01:52:42,330
history of mental illness in your family

2528
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:46,040
not to cast an aspersion on somebody

2529
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:48,570
weird things blood type where have you

2530
01:52:53,150 --> 01:52:50,970
lived before have other people and your

2531
01:52:54,440 --> 01:52:53,160
family had this kind of things go on in

2532
01:52:55,940 --> 01:52:54,450
their lives you know or other things

2533
01:52:57,770 --> 01:52:55,950
going on that you can't explain and

2534
01:52:59,780 --> 01:52:57,780
you're like are these all kind of things

2535
01:53:08,510 --> 01:52:59,790
that are included on this questionnaire

2536
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:08,520
yes there oh x2 F Oh research and where

2537
01:53:12,890 --> 01:53:09,690
we are today

2538
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:12,900
is it possible at all to see an endgame

2539
01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:15,510
that we get some answers I mean we're

2540
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:17,490
not getting any younger I'm speaking of

2541
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:20,250
myself what's a good thing you clarified

2542
01:53:26,090 --> 01:53:23,970
that mister well no you're you're very

2543
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,100
young Greg I'm not sure about I've met

2544
01:53:31,550 --> 01:53:28,080
Greg but it's very strange over there

2545
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:31,560
seriously we're going to find an endgame

2546
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:34,770
are we getting to anything Oh Lord you

2547
01:53:38,990 --> 01:53:36,900
know sometimes I go to bed at night and

2548
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:39,000
I think oh my lord what have we

2549
01:53:45,380 --> 01:53:43,130
accomplished you know I really it can be

2550
01:53:46,820 --> 01:53:45,390
frustrating and I can't imagine how

2551
01:53:49,550 --> 01:53:46,830
people feel that have been doing this

2552
01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:49,560
for 50 years because it does seem like

2553
01:53:53,180 --> 01:53:51,540
no real progress or no great

2554
01:53:56,180 --> 01:53:53,190
breakthroughs have been made but I think

2555
01:53:58,940 --> 01:53:56,190
that I think we are beginning to

2556
01:54:00,800 --> 01:53:58,950
understand that what we're looking for

2557
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:00,810
what we need to look for what we need to

2558
01:54:06,890 --> 01:54:03,840
research is not necessarily isolated

2559
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:06,900
cases that are nuts and bolts craft that

2560
01:54:11,210 --> 01:54:08,610
whatever is taking place is much

2561
01:54:15,220 --> 01:54:11,220
different than we had anticipated to

2562
01:54:20,779 --> 01:54:15,230
begin with I believe that we have

2563
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:20,789
overcome a lot of public sense

2564
01:54:24,619 --> 01:54:22,530
that people are crazy that look into

2565
01:54:27,229 --> 01:54:24,629
this where it's becoming more accessible

2566
01:54:31,549 --> 01:54:27,239
for people and that will hopefully allow

2567
01:54:33,229 --> 01:54:31,559
us to obtain more information I hope

2568
01:54:35,809 --> 01:54:33,239
that that breaks down barriers as well

2569
01:54:38,389 --> 01:54:35,819
with the mainstream media the scientific

2570
01:54:41,659 --> 01:54:38,399
community so we can maybe I dare to

2571
01:54:43,429 --> 01:54:41,669
dream but begin to work together on this

2572
01:54:45,379 --> 01:54:43,439
because it's we know what's happening

2573
01:54:47,469 --> 01:54:45,389
and like I said at the beginning of the

2574
01:54:51,949 --> 01:54:47,479
show this isn't a matter of a belief

2575
01:54:54,349 --> 01:54:51,959
anymore and I believe I believe I really

2576
01:54:56,839 --> 01:54:54,359
need to stop phrasing this especially as

2577
01:55:00,669 --> 01:54:56,849
researchers as I believe or I don't

2578
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:00,679
believe we have more factual evidence

2579
01:55:04,729 --> 01:55:03,209
let's let's get on with it let's

2580
01:55:07,369 --> 01:55:04,739
contribute let's try to figure out what

2581
01:55:10,339 --> 01:55:07,379
the heck is going on we can certainly

2582
01:55:12,199 --> 01:55:10,349
look for some more conclusions and maybe

2583
01:55:13,399 --> 01:55:12,209
that's part of it right here that we

2584
01:55:15,619 --> 01:55:13,409
have to spend more time not just

2585
01:55:18,139 --> 01:55:15,629
accumulating the data but assuming that

2586
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:18,149
maybe we have it already there but maybe

2587
01:55:21,739 --> 01:55:20,010
we need to look at it in a better form

2588
01:55:24,079 --> 01:55:21,749
but let me ask you because we kind of

2589
01:55:26,209 --> 01:55:24,089
touched briefly on sightings in other

2590
01:55:28,429 --> 01:55:26,219
parts of the country do you find there

2591
01:55:31,099 --> 01:55:28,439
is a cultural relationship between a

2592
01:55:35,059 --> 01:55:31,109
certain country and the kinds of UFOs

2593
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:35,069
that are reported no I don't I think

2594
01:55:40,309 --> 01:55:37,199
that you see all over the world the same

2595
01:55:42,799 --> 01:55:40,319
types of objects being reported the and

2596
01:55:45,559 --> 01:55:42,809
the most common type of object being

2597
01:55:48,619 --> 01:55:45,569
reported is my favorite the the orange

2598
01:55:51,469 --> 01:55:48,629
sphere orange red amber sphere fireball

2599
01:55:53,719 --> 01:55:51,479
whatever we're calling it and that's

2600
01:55:57,500 --> 01:55:53,729
gosh at least 60 percent of the cases

2601
01:55:59,839 --> 01:55:57,510
worldwide are of these objects and then

2602
01:56:02,629 --> 01:55:59,849
you have black triangles that's the

2603
01:56:05,569 --> 01:56:02,639
second most reported type of craft and

2604
01:56:08,299 --> 01:56:05,579
so it is it's a worldwide thing the same

2605
01:56:10,819 --> 01:56:08,309
type of objects now you have a project

2606
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:10,829
Orange that we ought to get more into 9

2607
01:56:15,859 --> 01:56:14,010
Agent Orange folks project Orange what

2608
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:15,869
is that about let's start here and then

2609
01:56:21,259 --> 01:56:18,239
we'll break for the next segment so I

2610
01:56:23,299 --> 01:56:21,269
formed project Orange with Terry ray

2611
01:56:25,909 --> 01:56:23,309
another MUFON field investigator who's

2612
01:56:28,549 --> 01:56:25,919
written a brilliant book the worldwide

2613
01:56:32,179 --> 01:56:28,559
invasion of mysterious orange orbs and

2614
01:56:35,299 --> 01:56:32,189
then Bob spearing who is back east and

2615
01:56:36,770 --> 01:56:35,309
we believed because of personal

2616
01:56:39,439 --> 01:56:36,780
experiences and then also looking

2617
01:56:42,799 --> 01:56:39,449
through the MUFON database that there

2618
01:56:46,879 --> 01:56:42,809
were way too many reports of these

2619
01:56:49,580 --> 01:56:46,889
objects and for some reason we needed to

2620
01:56:53,060 --> 01:56:49,590
better educate other investigators and

2621
01:56:56,330 --> 01:56:53,070
the public on what was happening and

2622
01:56:59,239 --> 01:56:56,340
then we said about we are our goal was

2623
01:57:00,770 --> 01:56:59,249
to get in there and analyze figure out

2624
01:57:05,330 --> 01:57:00,780
where the sightings clusters were taking

2625
01:57:07,279 --> 01:57:05,340
place figure out you know what oh you

2626
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:07,289
know what how do they behave do they

2627
01:57:11,870 --> 01:57:10,050
blink out and reappear are there sounds

2628
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:11,880
associated with them are they

2629
01:57:16,699 --> 01:57:15,599
interacting with human beings do they

2630
01:57:18,469 --> 01:57:16,709
you know they're there's so many

2631
01:57:20,689 --> 01:57:18,479
questions with this and so we just

2632
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:20,699
started plotting all of these things out

2633
01:57:25,609 --> 01:57:23,119
Robert spearing has done an amazing job

2634
01:57:29,299 --> 01:57:25,619
more about project Orange and the

2635
01:57:37,459 --> 01:57:29,309
ongoing work with gene and Erica and

2636
01:57:40,029 --> 01:57:37,469
Greg you're in the parrot cast if you

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little cheesecake into that oh come on

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that was my sassy voice oh yeah I like

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it okay thank you alright my wife is

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just jealous listening to that oh dear

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that's okay don't worry about it

2750
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let's continue about Project Orange

2751
02:02:26,290 --> 02:02:21,950
alright so we're talking about a large

2752
02:02:28,930 --> 02:02:26,300
percentage of this specific UFO type is

2753
02:02:31,540 --> 02:02:28,940
that throughout the history of the

2754
02:02:34,810 --> 02:02:31,550
modern field from 47 on or more recent

2755
02:02:37,690 --> 02:02:34,820
this is something that we've seen but we

2756
02:02:38,770 --> 02:02:37,700
could go back centuries this has been a

2757
02:02:41,350 --> 02:02:38,780
common thing

2758
02:02:44,550 --> 02:02:41,360
Jacques Vallee has done some great

2759
02:02:46,690 --> 02:02:44,560
research looking at historical cases

2760
02:02:48,940 --> 02:02:46,700
with regards to this I mean we're

2761
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:48,950
talking 500 years old if not longer and

2762
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:51,890
I believe that like I was saying you

2763
02:02:58,479 --> 02:02:53,810
know there is significant data to say

2764
02:03:01,420 --> 02:02:58,489
that they are in areas that that's not

2765
02:03:04,690 --> 02:03:01,430
changing it's the same type of area what

2766
02:03:07,060 --> 02:03:04,700
Peter Davenport his thoughts are because

2767
02:03:09,729 --> 02:03:07,070
he has the new fort database is that

2768
02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:09,739
sightings are increasing and that

2769
02:03:14,020 --> 02:03:12,050
they're appearing over more pop dense

2770
02:03:17,050 --> 02:03:14,030
densely populated areas and they're also

2771
02:03:18,820 --> 02:03:17,060
behaving and interacting with human

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02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:18,830
beings much more than they ever have

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02:03:23,550 --> 02:03:20,050
before

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02:03:28,229 --> 02:03:23,560
so his feeling is things are ramping up

2775
02:03:33,070 --> 02:03:28,239
with this I tend to agree with what I am

2776
02:03:35,890 --> 02:03:33,080
finding out I don't know why but it is

2777
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:35,900
very curious I think it's important for

2778
02:03:40,900 --> 02:03:38,560
people to to really educate not only

2779
02:03:44,140 --> 02:03:40,910
investigators but the public to educate

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02:03:48,970 --> 02:03:44,150
themselves about what natural phenomenon

2781
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:48,980
is what man-made objects are how to take

2782
02:03:52,620 --> 02:03:50,570
good photographs and video it's really

2783
02:03:55,300 --> 02:03:52,630
hard at night but we need to just be

2784
02:03:58,300 --> 02:03:55,310
good about collecting data we also need

2785
02:04:01,150 --> 02:03:58,310
funding which is what we are hoping for

2786
02:04:03,670 --> 02:04:01,160
so we can get out in areas where the

2787
02:04:06,340 --> 02:04:03,680
sightings clusters appear and collect

2788
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:06,350
data that can be analyzed much like

2789
02:04:10,630 --> 02:04:07,760
they've done over in heshbon

2790
02:04:14,350 --> 02:04:10,640
with all of their work so there's a lot

2791
02:04:16,630 --> 02:04:14,360
to do but we definitely feel there is

2792
02:04:19,060 --> 02:04:16,640
ample that this is something that is

2793
02:04:21,729 --> 02:04:19,070
incredibly important now when you have

2794
02:04:24,580 --> 02:04:21,739
an orange fireball how close does it get

2795
02:04:27,700 --> 02:04:24,590
you know we can see them five feet away

2796
02:04:30,640 --> 02:04:27,710
from people I had an interesting case

2797
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:30,650
where and this is this was such a great

2798
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:33,410
case this was a few years ago but the

2799
02:04:37,780 --> 02:04:35,210
fellow had just come forward to talk to

2800
02:04:40,180 --> 02:04:37,790
me about this he was driving he's gone

2801
02:04:42,250 --> 02:04:40,190
out he was stationed in a military base

2802
02:04:45,610 --> 02:04:42,260
in California he had left the base and

2803
02:04:47,500 --> 02:04:45,620
was coming home late one night in it he

2804
02:04:48,310 --> 02:04:47,510
was on a kind of an isolated stretch of

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02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:48,320
road

2806
02:04:54,370 --> 02:04:50,930
he looked off to a side and noticed this

2807
02:04:56,260 --> 02:04:54,380
orange sphere that was right just going

2808
02:04:58,900 --> 02:04:56,270
he said it was moving through the trees

2809
02:05:01,320 --> 02:04:58,910
like they weren't even there and then

2810
02:05:05,740 --> 02:05:01,330
all of a sudden this orange this orb

2811
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:05,750
veered off and literally hit his car and

2812
02:05:09,940 --> 02:05:07,520
pushed the car off the side of the road

2813
02:05:11,260 --> 02:05:09,950
so these objects were I mean this object

2814
02:05:15,130 --> 02:05:11,270
was close

2815
02:05:18,490 --> 02:05:15,140
to him so it is it just varies we have

2816
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:18,500
people like Dave Stinnett who researches

2817
02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:21,170
stuff and he's back east and he you know

2818
02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:22,730
they go out and videotape things and

2819
02:05:28,450 --> 02:05:26,000
these objects are in neighborhoods you

2820
02:05:31,150 --> 02:05:28,460
know they're appearing over houses in

2821
02:05:34,060 --> 02:05:31,160
houses now that implies from everything

2822
02:05:37,150 --> 02:05:34,070
you say a natural or unusual phenomenon

2823
02:05:38,350 --> 02:05:37,160
not necessarily a solid aircraft you

2824
02:05:41,950 --> 02:05:38,360
know I don't believe that they are a

2825
02:05:45,070 --> 02:05:41,960
solid aircraft I for many people that

2826
02:05:47,380 --> 02:05:45,080
have seen these objects they feel that

2827
02:05:50,770 --> 02:05:47,390
it is either some sort of intelligently

2828
02:05:54,820 --> 02:05:50,780
controlled probe or it is an intelligent

2829
02:05:59,770 --> 02:05:54,830
being of sorts but it has the ability to

2830
02:06:00,880 --> 02:05:59,780
interact to react to human beings it can

2831
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:00,890
you know it's been seen in many

2832
02:06:08,350 --> 02:06:04,610
different places including Marfa where

2833
02:06:11,500 --> 02:06:08,360
it moves around bushes it moves around

2834
02:06:14,430 --> 02:06:11,510
things they they interact they're not

2835
02:06:17,950 --> 02:06:14,440
this isn't a natural phenomenon

2836
02:06:20,020 --> 02:06:17,960
sometimes these objects sometimes it can

2837
02:06:21,190 --> 02:06:20,030
be mistaken for natural phenomena

2838
02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:21,200
sometimes you have natural phenomenon

2839
02:06:26,980 --> 02:06:23,330
that's mistaken for this type of thing

2840
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:26,990
but this is these are just very unusual

2841
02:06:32,020 --> 02:06:30,050
now there's a theory by the late Trevor

2842
02:06:34,990 --> 02:06:32,030
James constable that you might have

2843
02:06:37,780 --> 02:06:35,000
heard of that at least some UFOs might

2844
02:06:40,620 --> 02:06:37,790
be living creatures it was a theory

2845
02:06:43,900 --> 02:06:40,630
shared also by the late zoologist and

2846
02:06:44,860 --> 02:06:43,910
UFO and paranormal researcher Ivan T

2847
02:06:47,620 --> 02:06:44,870
Sanderson

2848
02:06:49,660 --> 02:06:47,630
what do you think I I would not disagree

2849
02:06:53,230 --> 02:06:49,670
with that I think that they might be

2850
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:53,240
living entities beings creatures I think

2851
02:06:57,460 --> 02:06:54,800
that is you know in fact I've been

2852
02:07:01,330 --> 02:06:57,470
looking at Trevor James and his work and

2853
02:07:03,070 --> 02:07:01,340
just trying to get any type of input

2854
02:07:06,510 --> 02:07:03,080
that I can from anybody that's looked

2855
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:06,520
into this and I liked what he had to say

2856
02:07:11,590 --> 02:07:08,690
now this is a subject that we were

2857
02:07:14,980 --> 02:07:11,600
trying to cover on a previous episode of

2858
02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:14,990
the podcast and we just plain ran out of

2859
02:07:18,700 --> 02:07:17,570
time and obviously he's not around to

2860
02:07:21,310 --> 02:07:18,710
tell us anything anymore

2861
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:21,320
I know that is there's so many

2862
02:07:25,189 --> 02:07:23,840
researchers that unfortunately are not

2863
02:07:27,229 --> 02:07:25,199
not with us anymore

2864
02:07:30,290 --> 02:07:27,239
but I hope that we can we can learn as

2865
02:07:33,259 --> 02:07:30,300
much from the work that they did to help

2866
02:07:34,939 --> 02:07:33,269
us with what we're doing now there was

2867
02:07:37,069 --> 02:07:34,949
another question from the forums that I

2868
02:07:39,709 --> 02:07:37,079
forgot to put up if it's okay Jean I

2869
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:39,719
wanted to ask or comment on the orb

2870
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:42,690
thing during my research for project

2871
02:07:47,359 --> 02:07:46,079
beta bill more and a couple other people

2872
02:07:49,580 --> 02:07:47,369
told me that when they were in Paul

2873
02:07:52,509 --> 02:07:49,590
bennewitz his house they would

2874
02:07:56,209 --> 02:07:52,519
occasionally observe these orange or I

2875
02:07:58,339 --> 02:07:56,219
guess yeah pretty much orange or reddish

2876
02:08:01,850 --> 02:07:58,349
orbs floating around the ceiling of his

2877
02:08:03,949 --> 02:08:01,860
house and Paul woods Paul bennewitz when

2878
02:08:05,660 --> 02:08:03,959
when bill said what's that Paul looked

2879
02:08:07,699 --> 02:08:05,670
up and he said oh those those are here

2880
02:08:10,580 --> 02:08:07,709
all the time and when they went up and I

2881
02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:10,590
don't know Erica you might know have

2882
02:08:16,729 --> 02:08:13,110
some sort of data on this or you know a

2883
02:08:19,129 --> 02:08:16,739
similar experience but he said that what

2884
02:08:21,229 --> 02:08:19,139
he got on a ladder and tried to go up to

2885
02:08:22,729 --> 02:08:21,239
touch them they would they would either

2886
02:08:24,469 --> 02:08:22,739
move out of the way and or they would

2887
02:08:26,330 --> 02:08:24,479
turn off like a light bulb switching off

2888
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:26,340
like an incandescent light not off like

2889
02:08:30,259 --> 02:08:28,050
bang but they would fade out very

2890
02:08:33,979 --> 02:08:30,269
quickly have you seen anything like that

2891
02:08:36,620 --> 02:08:33,989
in any of the any research you know we

2892
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:36,630
do see that there frequently I mean in

2893
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:39,119
in people's homes whether this is a you

2894
02:08:41,839 --> 02:08:40,320
know I mean again it's like where is

2895
02:08:45,500 --> 02:08:41,849
this a paranormal thing where does it

2896
02:08:49,310 --> 02:08:45,510
cross the line but they do interact you

2897
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:49,320
know they will move and respond to human

2898
02:08:53,719 --> 02:08:50,880
beings and it's just and they do

2899
02:08:55,879 --> 02:08:53,729
sometimes you know I've got reports from

2900
02:08:57,979 --> 02:08:55,889
people who who observe these objects and

2901
02:09:02,330 --> 02:08:57,989
when they disappear it's like they seem

2902
02:09:03,439 --> 02:09:02,340
to kind of fold into themselves hmm yeah

2903
02:09:05,479 --> 02:09:03,449
well because it was interesting to me

2904
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:05,489
because what was going on at his house

2905
02:09:08,859 --> 02:09:07,050
time was he's being watched very

2906
02:09:11,149 --> 02:09:08,869
carefully by various intelligence

2907
02:09:13,370 --> 02:09:11,159
organizations and I always got the

2908
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:13,380
feeling in his case that somehow

2909
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:15,209
somebody had figured out how to create

2910
02:09:18,410 --> 02:09:16,650
these things oh the other thing they

2911
02:09:20,180 --> 02:09:18,420
said was there there were little sparkly

2912
02:09:23,419 --> 02:09:20,190
things inside them sometimes like these

2913
02:09:25,850 --> 02:09:23,429
little shiny sparkly parts of the within

2914
02:09:28,910 --> 02:09:25,860
the light yes and I've heard that for

2915
02:09:31,939 --> 02:09:28,920
many witnesses as well okay the other

2916
02:09:34,459 --> 02:09:31,949
question on here was from as 7:09 too

2917
02:09:36,790 --> 02:09:34,469
and we sort of addressed this but I

2918
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:36,800
wanted to specifically

2919
02:09:43,089 --> 02:09:39,650
ask his question and it's about MUFON

2920
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:43,099
again Eric Oh what your stance regarding

2921
02:09:47,410 --> 02:09:45,650
infighting and MUFON and is it enough to

2922
02:09:49,180 --> 02:09:47,420
separate the organization or can it get

2923
02:09:51,609 --> 02:09:49,190
stronger if it was to branch off into a

2924
02:09:55,689 --> 02:09:51,619
different direction or form in two

2925
02:09:58,359 --> 02:09:55,699
different halves or factions let's hold

2926
02:10:00,370 --> 02:09:58,369
off the answer for a moment I need to

2927
02:10:01,419 --> 02:10:00,380
tell you about after the parrot cast our

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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3042
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oh well it only goes downhill from here

3043
02:15:12,710 --> 02:15:07,500
Erica what have you to say oh boy where

3044
02:15:16,040 --> 02:15:12,720
to begin with regards to that question

3045
02:15:18,860 --> 02:15:16,050
about MUFON I think with any

3046
02:15:20,270 --> 02:15:18,870
organization well people in general of

3047
02:15:24,590 --> 02:15:20,280
course there's infighting I think

3048
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there's I hope that but I think that in

3049
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my opinion what needs to happen in any

3050
02:15:33,710 --> 02:15:30,020
big organization as there needs to be

3051
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cohesion and dialogue and I think that

3052
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they're trying to work on the fact that

3053
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they're getting people to communicate

3054
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:39,570
and kind of break down some barriers

3055
02:15:45,290 --> 02:15:41,970
because for a long time thinking in

3056
02:15:48,170 --> 02:15:45,300
MUFON it was you know it's it's my state

3057
02:15:49,940 --> 02:15:48,180
this is the way things you know we're

3058
02:15:52,670 --> 02:15:49,950
doing things and and there was a lot of

3059
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:52,680
isolation and I think that's changing I

3060
02:15:56,570 --> 02:15:54,810
hope it is because I mean I've talked to

3061
02:15:58,400 --> 02:15:56,580
so many great people involved in MUFON

3062
02:16:01,250 --> 02:15:58,410
that have so many important things to

3063
02:16:02,810 --> 02:16:01,260
share and I hope that that happens that

3064
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:02,820
will really make everything much more

3065
02:16:07,340 --> 02:16:05,250
effective for sure but do you think

3066
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:07,350
getting involved in some of these

3067
02:16:13,220 --> 02:16:09,690
questionable projects such as the hangar

3068
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:13,230
one TV show helps MUFON you know for me

3069
02:16:20,270 --> 02:16:17,370
I thought hangar 1 was great because it

3070
02:16:22,040 --> 02:16:20,280
exposed a whole new audience to this and

3071
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:22,050
I think that's important you know

3072
02:16:26,840 --> 02:16:23,370
whether there were some inconsistencies

3073
02:16:28,430 --> 02:16:26,850
with the cases I'm sure there were

3074
02:16:31,940 --> 02:16:28,440
because at the end of the day it's

3075
02:16:34,220 --> 02:16:31,950
handed off to a production team I think

3076
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:34,230
MUFON did the best they could and I was

3077
02:16:38,720 --> 02:16:36,810
incredibly proud to have some of the

3078
02:16:41,510 --> 02:16:38,730
people on there like Ben moss and Tony

3079
02:16:43,100 --> 02:16:41,520
that I know personally and her great

3080
02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:43,110
investigators I thought that was really

3081
02:16:47,300 --> 02:16:45,330
cool to see them get on there I was

3082
02:16:51,350 --> 02:16:47,310
really happy about that

3083
02:16:53,330 --> 02:16:51,360
I think anytime you do something where

3084
02:16:56,300 --> 02:16:53,340
you're bringing this into public focus

3085
02:16:58,580 --> 02:16:56,310
that's a good thing and I think that

3086
02:17:01,520 --> 02:16:58,590
hangar one with all the controversy I

3087
02:17:03,410 --> 02:17:01,530
think it exposed people to what's going

3088
02:17:04,669 --> 02:17:03,420
on so in my opinion that's not

3089
02:17:07,160 --> 02:17:04,679
necessarily a bad thing

3090
02:17:09,560 --> 02:17:07,170
should it be the prime focus of an

3091
02:17:10,220 --> 02:17:09,570
organization I don't think so because I

3092
02:17:11,390 --> 02:17:10,230
think the research

3093
02:17:13,220 --> 02:17:11,400
should be the prim focus and

3094
02:17:16,030 --> 02:17:13,230
disseminating that information to the

3095
02:17:18,890 --> 02:17:16,040
public I think the question here is if

3096
02:17:19,850 --> 02:17:18,900
hangar 1 is the first impression they

3097
02:17:22,701 --> 02:17:19,860
have a mu font

3098
02:17:25,701 --> 02:17:22,711
unquestionable claims are made that has

3099
02:17:29,780 --> 02:17:25,711
to hurt the organization oh boy you know

3100
02:17:31,610 --> 02:17:29,790
I I don't really know what specifically

3101
02:17:34,490 --> 02:17:31,620
you know I mean I know that there were a

3102
02:17:36,590 --> 02:17:34,500
few I mean honestly I didn't pay much

3103
02:17:38,860 --> 02:17:36,600
attention when when this came out but I

3104
02:17:41,750 --> 02:17:38,870
I'm sure there were claims I that you're

3105
02:17:43,820 --> 02:17:41,760
discrepancies and I do believe from my

3106
02:17:45,081 --> 02:17:43,830
understanding that MUFON the

3107
02:17:46,070 --> 02:17:45,091
communications team addressed those

3108
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discrepancies

3109
02:17:52,640 --> 02:17:48,841
you know it's TV I hopefully people are

3110
02:17:54,081 --> 02:17:52,650
smart enough to understand that I think

3111
02:17:55,970 --> 02:17:54,091
there were lots of great cases that were

3112
02:17:57,831 --> 02:17:55,980
also touched on and I think the average

3113
02:18:01,960 --> 02:17:57,841
person that is coming into this for the

3114
02:18:04,280 --> 02:18:01,970
first time isn't going to know about

3115
02:18:05,900 --> 02:18:04,290
these discrepancies so I think really

3116
02:18:08,210 --> 02:18:05,910
the people that were upset about it were

3117
02:18:11,150 --> 02:18:08,220
the long-time researchers with good

3118
02:18:13,220 --> 02:18:11,160
reason right but remember too that a lot

3119
02:18:15,050 --> 02:18:13,230
of people watch shows like that not to

3120
02:18:17,690 --> 02:18:15,060
learn information about something

3121
02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:17,700
serious but for entertainment right and

3122
02:18:21,740 --> 02:18:19,650
certainly the network's don't treat it

3123
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:21,750
as anything more than entertainment it's

3124
02:18:28,581 --> 02:18:24,450
just the 43 minutes to fill between the

3125
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:28,591
ads mm-hmm exactly exactly I I you know

3126
02:18:32,541 --> 02:18:30,240
I don't know I mean what what were your

3127
02:18:34,610 --> 02:18:32,551
thoughts on hangar 1 I don't pay

3128
02:18:36,530 --> 02:18:34,620
attention to those shows at all I've

3129
02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:36,540
seen them a little bit but that's it

3130
02:18:40,161 --> 02:18:38,610
yeah I've watched one or two of them and

3131
02:18:42,110 --> 02:18:40,171
then I turned them off within 5 minutes

3132
02:18:45,100 --> 02:18:42,120
because I've been because as Jacque well

3133
02:18:47,871 --> 02:18:45,110
used to say I was not learning anything

3134
02:18:50,180 --> 02:18:47,881
but we're a very specific audience that

3135
02:18:53,900 --> 02:18:50,190
this is like as you said it's for a huge

3136
02:18:56,300 --> 02:18:53,910
national audience and it's more printer

3137
02:18:58,010 --> 02:18:56,310
tainment if it's for entertainment maybe

3138
02:18:59,661 --> 02:18:58,020
you will snag people that want to be

3139
02:19:01,701 --> 02:18:59,671
serious about it I don't know but I

3140
02:19:03,260 --> 02:19:01,711
think the wasn't the point of having

3141
02:19:05,570 --> 02:19:03,270
that showed it's kind of get the

3142
02:19:06,860 --> 02:19:05,580
visibility of MUFON up partially which

3143
02:19:09,621 --> 02:19:06,870
is why they agreed to do such a thing

3144
02:19:11,510 --> 02:19:09,631
yes absolutely and to expand public

3145
02:19:14,570 --> 02:19:11,520
awareness so I think that and that's

3146
02:19:17,240 --> 02:19:14,580
that's important to me making this an

3147
02:19:20,090 --> 02:19:17,250
accessible topic is something that needs

3148
02:19:23,929 --> 02:19:20,100
to happen if people learn about

3149
02:19:25,189 --> 02:19:23,939
something through incorrect information

3150
02:19:27,949 --> 02:19:25,199
they'll go along with those assumptions

3151
02:19:30,830 --> 02:19:27,959
we already have too much reality TV in

3152
02:19:32,750 --> 02:19:30,840
what's supposed to be news and I know I

3153
02:19:35,299 --> 02:19:32,760
get into much more detail than that as

3154
02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:35,309
to what particular issues are involved

3155
02:19:41,209 --> 02:19:38,489
but if we're going to play serious

3156
02:19:44,149 --> 02:19:41,219
documentaries like a reality show where

3157
02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:44,159
it's fact and it's fiction some kind of

3158
02:19:50,210 --> 02:19:46,649
weird merger between the two how does

3159
02:19:54,139 --> 02:19:50,220
that serve the public oh boy I look at

3160
02:19:56,239 --> 02:19:54,149
sometimes the way we behave in the UFO

3161
02:19:59,630 --> 02:19:56,249
research community and I wonder how that

3162
02:20:02,330 --> 02:19:59,640
serves the public I think that we need

3163
02:20:05,149 --> 02:20:02,340
to look at at all sorts of things you

3164
02:20:07,639 --> 02:20:05,159
know if we're really caring about making

3165
02:20:09,769 --> 02:20:07,649
this a credible thing that's taken

3166
02:20:12,590 --> 02:20:09,779
seriously we need to look at everything

3167
02:20:15,800 --> 02:20:12,600
we do and the way we present this not

3168
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:15,810
only on a TV show but in public forums

3169
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:18,479
in social media we're dealing with

3170
02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:20,640
something that is we're just on the

3171
02:20:27,199 --> 02:20:24,329
leading edge of figuring out what it is

3172
02:20:30,739 --> 02:20:27,209
and I think that the best thing that we

3173
02:20:32,750 --> 02:20:30,749
can do is is really be respectful of

3174
02:20:35,660 --> 02:20:32,760
that and be respectful of other people

3175
02:20:38,569 --> 02:20:35,670
with regards to this and and we need to

3176
02:20:41,300 --> 02:20:38,579
I think grow up a bit because we give

3177
02:20:44,449 --> 02:20:41,310
our ourselves a bad name we do that on

3178
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:44,459
our own not just maybe one or two or

3179
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:48,090
five or ten things in a head TV show

3180
02:20:53,870 --> 02:20:50,970
that were misstated what are the things

3181
02:20:56,029 --> 02:20:53,880
we do to ourselves that damage serious

3182
02:20:59,420 --> 02:20:56,039
UFO research having raised the question

3183
02:21:02,449 --> 02:20:59,430
I believe that we spend an awful lot of

3184
02:21:07,479 --> 02:21:02,459
time trying to take individual

3185
02:21:10,729 --> 02:21:07,489
researchers apart trying to debunk

3186
02:21:15,229 --> 02:21:10,739
things that are coming in I think that

3187
02:21:18,830 --> 02:21:15,239
we spend I think that we we attack

3188
02:21:21,109 --> 02:21:18,840
people personally when we don't agree

3189
02:21:24,019 --> 02:21:21,119
with what they do and I think that we

3190
02:21:25,790 --> 02:21:24,029
need to be more respectful and if we

3191
02:21:27,739 --> 02:21:25,800
don't agree with somebody we need to be

3192
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able to act like adults and have a civil

3193
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dialogue about that or let it go and

3194
02:21:36,930 --> 02:21:34,079
focus on ways that we can really be

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productive with regards to

3196
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searching this I mean to me being in a

3197
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social media site 24 hours a day doesn't

3198
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necessarily make me a good researcher

3199
02:21:54,450 --> 02:21:51,851
and I think we need to be aware of how

3200
02:21:57,570 --> 02:21:54,460
we treat people we need to be supportive

3201
02:21:59,400 --> 02:21:57,580
not everything I I feel with regards to

3202
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this is going to be something that other

3203
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people agree with but at least I'm going

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to be respectful enough to sit down and

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have a dialogue a respectful dialogue

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about it right but here's an issue if a

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researcher is being deceptive cheating

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people giving themselves credentials

3209
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they have not earned shouldn't they be

3210
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called out in the set-aside so we can

3211
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focus on the real stuff oh boy do I do I

3212
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don't you know I mean I'm sure that I

3213
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know that that's it's always great to

3214
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find people that are charlatans so to

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speak but I for me personally I don't

3216
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want to waste my time doing that because

3217
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I think there are more beneficial ways

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to help in this area so you know what I

3219
02:22:46,310 --> 02:22:43,900
mean I think we get sometimes we get so

3220
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caught up in this that it really

3221
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detracts from what I guess so yeah I for

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some reason I think of the Patton Oswalt

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thing it's and somebody comes up with an

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opinion that's that's obviously fairly

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silly or not very well founded you don't

3226
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have to respect it oh yeah you can

3227
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acknowledge it but you don't have to

3228
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respect it and there's there's ways to

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do that without being without being

3230
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nasty my way is to ignore them well you

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know and I think that's great yeah great

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ignore people I you know I mean I just

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go I hate to say it but I look at the

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current political goings ons in our in

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our country and I think there's a lot of

3236
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:27,280
need for people to belittle other people

3237
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and I don't think that serves anybody

3238
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doesn't make me feel better

3239
02:23:36,780 --> 02:23:34,900
yeah it's a waste of time I mean I don't

3240
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really complain about people I just

3241
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basically ignore them and go on with

3242
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what I'm interested in

3243
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and I don't I don't really care I've so

3244
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done with all the fighting I don't I

3245
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don't even pay attention to it anymore

3246
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so you know and then it's like if it's

3247
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not teaching you something why bother

3248
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right it's distracting it is distracting

3249
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but you know I mean there have been

3250
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people it's you that it's it's been good

3251
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to understand that they're not credible

3252
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:08,450
and to just back away but hopefully you

3253
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know I can be smart enough to put the

3254
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dots together up that wood so let's do

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our break can have more dots in our next

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have an attempt I won't say how

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successful at playing a real musical

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ocarina doesn't count oh well I can't I

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can't go out and might get my guitar

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that would just be ridiculous and I

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can't even play it so well that would be

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more fun next time on I'll bring I'll

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bring the amp in here when you say para

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cast I'll put as much distortion as I

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can in it and do something you're not

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doing a tour ready without the guitar

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am i distorting I don't distort I

3378
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clarify oh good one okay let's clarify

3379
02:29:50,491 --> 02:29:47,951
this let's just move to a couple of side

3380
02:29:52,651 --> 02:29:50,501
issues in UFO research in connection

3381
02:29:55,951 --> 02:29:52,661
with the fact that we mentioned them in

3382
02:29:58,951 --> 02:29:55,961
previous episodes men in black any

3383
02:30:01,201 --> 02:29:58,961
evidence of any oh boy you know I mean I

3384
02:30:03,841 --> 02:30:01,211
talked to Nick Redfern about men in

3385
02:30:05,491 --> 02:30:03,851
black and Nick Redford has got he's done

3386
02:30:06,091 --> 02:30:05,501
some great research with the men in

3387
02:30:07,741 --> 02:30:06,101
black

3388
02:30:10,951 --> 02:30:07,751
and was like a book every three hours

3389
02:30:13,261 --> 02:30:10,961
yeah he is the most prolific guy I don't

3390
02:30:15,511 --> 02:30:13,271
know how he does it I mean I just I

3391
02:30:19,621 --> 02:30:15,521
don't know and they're great books but I

3392
02:30:21,991 --> 02:30:19,631
I have never had a men in black case but

3393
02:30:24,361 --> 02:30:22,001
and I don't know if that's if there's if

3394
02:30:26,881 --> 02:30:24,371
we're still seeing as many of them as we

3395
02:30:29,581 --> 02:30:26,891
used to but I would love to have him in

3396
02:30:31,651 --> 02:30:29,591
a black case that would be cool in

3397
02:30:34,140 --> 02:30:31,661
policing and he was getting more reports

3398
02:30:37,171 --> 02:30:34,150
which was kind of surprising at least to

3399
02:30:39,350 --> 02:30:37,181
me interesting I can't wait to hear more

3400
02:30:41,430 --> 02:30:39,360
about the women in black though yeah

3401
02:30:43,081 --> 02:30:41,440
intriguing he had so many of them he

3402
02:30:44,011 --> 02:30:43,091
actually had to make a book of them I

3403
02:30:46,261 --> 02:30:44,021
didn't even know there were enough to

3404
02:30:48,241 --> 02:30:46,271
make a book last book he signed to me

3405
02:30:53,011 --> 02:30:48,251
and said to Greg from the book Factory

3406
02:30:55,201 --> 02:30:53,021
Nick I called it I said what are you a

3407
02:30:56,491 --> 02:30:55,211
book factory so he signed it that way oh

3408
02:30:58,381 --> 02:30:56,501
that is awesome

3409
02:31:01,381 --> 02:30:58,391
don't turn around or Nick will have

3410
02:31:02,461 --> 02:31:01,391
another book out Oh Mike I know every

3411
02:31:05,430 --> 02:31:02,471
time I talk to him it's like well I've

3412
02:31:08,701 --> 02:31:05,440
got five books coming out and that's ten

3413
02:31:10,711 --> 02:31:08,711
minutes that I'm just like wow as a job

3414
02:31:12,059 --> 02:31:10,721
that's why people are so amazed it's

3415
02:31:14,340 --> 02:31:12,069
like if you're at your job

3416
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:14,350
you do your job everyday and your job is

3417
02:31:19,139 --> 02:31:16,720
to produce things you'll produce things

3418
02:31:21,630 --> 02:31:19,149
and that's his attitude which is what he

3419
02:31:23,489 --> 02:31:21,640
has a very workmanlike out into about

3420
02:31:25,889 --> 02:31:23,499
doing his work and he's a writer so he

3421
02:31:28,649 --> 02:31:25,899
writes he tell he has not reached the

3422
02:31:33,889 --> 02:31:28,659
level of the late Walter B Gibson who

3423
02:31:36,090 --> 02:31:33,899
wrote 300 novels about the shadow lordy

3424
02:31:38,639 --> 02:31:36,100
yeah well he doesn't make stuff up so

3425
02:31:40,859 --> 02:31:38,649
it's a little bit harder he's he's going

3426
02:31:44,369 --> 02:31:40,869
on data and research rather than just

3427
02:31:45,710 --> 02:31:44,379
making just writing novels so it's a

3428
02:31:48,149 --> 02:31:45,720
little more difficult I would think

3429
02:31:51,179 --> 02:31:48,159
right it'll take a few years before he

3430
02:31:54,239 --> 02:31:51,189
gets a level of Brad stager who I think

3431
02:31:56,429 --> 02:31:54,249
although I guess he's semi-retired now

3432
02:31:59,279 --> 02:31:56,439
although there have been reissues of his

3433
02:32:02,279 --> 02:31:59,289
some of his books where Brad Steiger did

3434
02:32:07,109 --> 02:32:02,289
like a hundred sixty-five books oh my

3435
02:32:09,479 --> 02:32:07,119
god geez I've done four what do you do

3436
02:32:14,579 --> 02:32:09,489
what are you thinking sorry about this

3437
02:32:16,949 --> 02:32:14,589
I've done 30 do you have any books that

3438
02:32:19,859 --> 02:32:16,959
you've released I don't but I'm actually

3439
02:32:21,800 --> 02:32:19,869
working on a book about the orange herb

3440
02:32:24,899 --> 02:32:21,810
phenomenon and I'm going to be lecturing

3441
02:32:27,779 --> 02:32:24,909
about it too which is will be really fun

3442
02:32:29,729 --> 02:32:27,789
I'll be exciting we're gonna lecture at

3443
02:32:32,219 --> 02:32:29,739
I am speaking at the star works

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02:32:34,019 --> 02:32:32,229
symposium in Laughlin Nevada in November

3445
02:32:36,029 --> 02:32:34,029
and then I've got another I was just

3446
02:32:38,969 --> 02:32:36,039
asked to speak at another conference

3447
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:38,979
that will be releasing they'll be making

3448
02:32:44,279 --> 02:32:41,050
a press release here pretty quick so I

3449
02:32:47,099 --> 02:32:44,289
will keep people posted but it's good I

3450
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:47,109
enjoy speaking and interacting and and I

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02:32:52,739 --> 02:32:49,930
hope that I can share some some of my

3452
02:32:55,800 --> 02:32:52,749
research and hopefully open a few eyes

3453
02:32:57,179 --> 02:32:55,810
yeah I was putting down the conference's

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for awhile but the main thing is to

3455
02:33:01,979 --> 02:32:59,140
interact with people you can't do that

3456
02:33:04,099 --> 02:33:01,989
in any other way and have you noticed

3457
02:33:06,929 --> 02:33:04,109
that people come up and talk to you and

3458
02:33:09,179 --> 02:33:06,939
just kind of download their experience

3459
02:33:10,500 --> 02:33:09,189
to you I get that a lot when I'm at

3460
02:33:12,239 --> 02:33:10,510
conferences they just want to say

3461
02:33:14,939 --> 02:33:12,249
something to somebody that's not gonna

3462
02:33:18,590 --> 02:33:14,949
laugh at them yes and I love I love that

3463
02:33:20,939 --> 02:33:18,600
I mean that to me I really value

3464
02:33:23,059 --> 02:33:20,949
interacting with other people and that

3465
02:33:25,770 --> 02:33:23,069
was my that is my great thing when I

3466
02:33:28,980 --> 02:33:25,780
investigate cases is the interaction

3467
02:33:30,570 --> 02:33:28,990
and letting people feel comfortable and

3468
02:33:32,700 --> 02:33:30,580
know that they have a safe place to talk

3469
02:33:36,841 --> 02:33:32,710
about something that is more often than

3470
02:33:40,440 --> 02:33:36,851
not traumatic to them and that's really

3471
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:40,450
the special now we've just got some more

3472
02:33:45,780 --> 02:33:43,120
questions in the forum from Ravens free

3473
02:33:47,490 --> 02:33:45,790
I don't know if we have time to even ask

3474
02:33:49,980 --> 02:33:47,500
any of them Greg you want to take a

3475
02:33:51,470 --> 02:33:49,990
quick look yeah I'm looking at it right

3476
02:33:53,881 --> 02:33:51,480
now

3477
02:33:55,440 --> 02:33:53,891
well this one's interesting to me so

3478
02:33:56,820 --> 02:33:55,450
I'll ask it and you had mentioned it

3479
02:33:59,160 --> 02:33:56,830
earlier Erica about Dugway proving

3480
02:34:00,301 --> 02:33:59,170
ground is there Ravens free asses

3481
02:34:02,820 --> 02:34:00,311
they're more to Dugway proving ground

3482
02:34:05,131 --> 02:34:02,830
than unsubstantiated internet rumor it's

3483
02:34:06,900 --> 02:34:05,141
I mean besides the fact that it's a it's

3484
02:34:09,720 --> 02:34:06,910
a it's been there for a while and it's

3485
02:34:12,690 --> 02:34:09,730
basically a test area anything weird

3486
02:34:16,261 --> 02:34:12,700
about it anything you know area 51 is

3487
02:34:20,160 --> 02:34:16,271
should like about it I believe well I

3488
02:34:22,200 --> 02:34:20,170
know that they are doing some really oh

3489
02:34:26,850 --> 02:34:22,210
boy I mean obviously it's a top-secret

3490
02:34:29,220 --> 02:34:26,860
testing facility for me I am always

3491
02:34:31,921 --> 02:34:29,230
watching to see what's going on not only

3492
02:34:35,040 --> 02:34:31,931
from the UFO aspect but because I live

3493
02:34:37,261 --> 02:34:35,050
close to it because it has affected

3494
02:34:39,060 --> 02:34:37,271
people's health in the past it's it it's

3495
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:39,070
you know my gosh what do we have the

3496
02:34:45,810 --> 02:34:42,730
vial of anthrax and we had vamped live

3497
02:34:48,211 --> 02:34:45,820
anthrax that was shipped off of the

3498
02:34:49,921 --> 02:34:48,221
Dugway base I mean there are interesting

3499
02:34:51,740 --> 02:34:49,931
things that take place there and so we

3500
02:34:55,230 --> 02:34:51,750
need to be aware of that but there are

3501
02:34:59,011 --> 02:34:55,240
many reports I get of sightings in that

3502
02:35:01,860 --> 02:34:59,021
area around that area and Dave Rosenfeld

3503
02:35:04,530 --> 02:35:01,870
who is alien Dave has been out there he

3504
02:35:07,320 --> 02:35:04,540
goes on many watches out there on the

3505
02:35:09,511 --> 02:35:07,330
periphery and he's seen them test lasers

3506
02:35:11,790 --> 02:35:09,521
that have the capability of punching

3507
02:35:15,540 --> 02:35:11,800
holes through clouds and he's watched as

3508
02:35:17,551 --> 02:35:15,550
objects have come down and circled the

3509
02:35:20,580 --> 02:35:17,561
laser beams and then shot off into space

3510
02:35:22,740 --> 02:35:20,590
so there's a lot going on out there will

3511
02:35:26,370 --> 02:35:22,750
we ever know really if the bodies have

3512
02:35:27,841 --> 02:35:26,380
been taken from area 51 there no but I'm

3513
02:35:30,921 --> 02:35:27,851
definitely keeping my eye on it and

3514
02:35:33,660 --> 02:35:30,931
amassing research with regards to Dugway

3515
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:33,670
mm-hmm there time for another one there

3516
02:35:39,180 --> 02:35:36,570
gene very fast about a minute and a half

3517
02:35:39,719 --> 02:35:39,190
okay did MUFON ever receive reports or

3518
02:35:41,729 --> 02:35:39,729
become aware

3519
02:35:43,529 --> 02:35:41,739
of events experienced by Native American

3520
02:35:45,599 --> 02:35:43,539
residents as Utah seems to have a high

3521
02:35:47,099 --> 02:35:45,609
degree of activity was there any attempt

3522
02:35:49,739 --> 02:35:47,109
to see if they were historical or

3523
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:49,749
folkloric reports or to see if the

3524
02:35:55,469 --> 02:35:51,130
nature of frequency has a long-standing

3525
02:35:57,420 --> 02:35:55,479
basis great question I have especially

3526
02:36:00,109 --> 02:35:57,430
with skinwalker ranch especially since

3527
02:36:03,599 --> 02:36:00,119
we have a large Native American

3528
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:03,609
population here that has been one of my

3529
02:36:08,670 --> 02:36:05,770
things and I've had the good fortune of

3530
02:36:11,399 --> 02:36:08,680
meeting with and being friends with one

3531
02:36:14,910 --> 02:36:11,409
of the world's foremost Native American

3532
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:14,920
Historians who's in his early 80s now

3533
02:36:19,739 --> 02:36:17,770
and he's loaned me several books from

3534
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:19,749
his special collection out of print

3535
02:36:23,489 --> 02:36:22,090
books that talk about the oral

3536
02:36:25,109 --> 02:36:23,499
traditions of the Native American

3537
02:36:29,519 --> 02:36:25,119
culture and skinwalker

3538
02:36:31,500 --> 02:36:29,529
skinwalkers and so it is we don't

3539
02:36:35,399 --> 02:36:31,510
unfortunately have a lot of sightings

3540
02:36:37,800 --> 02:36:35,409
that are submitted to databases but I

3541
02:36:41,010 --> 02:36:37,810
believe that there is this is an

3542
02:36:42,679 --> 02:36:41,020
important connection that we need to

3543
02:36:46,559 --> 02:36:42,689
understand and we need to have a

3544
02:36:49,170 --> 02:36:46,569
dialogue we have no more time for

3545
02:36:50,880 --> 02:36:49,180
dialogs except to ask this Erika Lucas

3546
02:36:52,679 --> 02:36:50,890
would you tell our listeners where they

3547
02:36:56,819 --> 02:36:52,689
can find more about the things that you

3548
02:36:58,859 --> 02:36:56,829
do you can go to UFO classified com to

3549
02:37:01,260 --> 02:36:58,869
find out about my show about the

3550
02:37:03,450 --> 02:37:01,270
research project and then also on

3551
02:37:07,080 --> 02:37:03,460
Facebook you can find me under Erika

3552
02:37:08,729 --> 02:37:07,090
Luke's or UFO classified oh it sounds

3553
02:37:11,519 --> 02:37:08,739
classified just thinking about it

3554
02:37:13,979 --> 02:37:11,529
what is Greg Bishop tell our listeners

3555
02:37:16,830 --> 02:37:13,989
please where they can find more of your

3556
02:37:19,170 --> 02:37:16,840
stuff well my show is radio Mysterio so

3557
02:37:21,540 --> 02:37:19,180
and that's at Radio Mysterio so calm and

3558
02:37:23,939 --> 02:37:21,550
the new book is it defies language and

3559
02:37:27,510 --> 02:37:23,949
you can find information on that at it

3560
02:37:30,149 --> 02:37:27,520
defies language calm thank you it defies

3561
02:37:34,349 --> 02:37:30,159
language by the way features terrific

3562
02:37:36,269 --> 02:37:34,359
illustrations from red pill chunky you

3563
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:36,279
can find us on Twitter also look for the

3564
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:39,130
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3565
02:37:45,120 --> 02:37:41,920
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3566
02:37:46,529 --> 02:37:45,130
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3567
02:37:48,689 --> 02:37:46,539
can't figure out how to merge them

3568
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:48,699
because you have to kill one to do that

3569
02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:52,090
a pain it really is what what isn't a

3570
02:37:55,139 --> 02:37:52,810
pain is a

3571
02:37:57,389 --> 02:37:55,149
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3580
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3581
02:38:25,950 --> 02:38:24,220
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3582
02:38:29,069 --> 02:38:25,960
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02:38:33,780 --> 02:38:31,600
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3585
02:38:37,260 --> 02:38:33,790
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3586
02:38:39,179 --> 02:38:37,270
be up probably in a few days at most I

3587
02:38:42,990 --> 02:38:39,189
just need to get ahead of myself which

3588
02:38:45,929 --> 02:38:43,000
is more strange than none Erica Luke's

3589
02:38:52,350 --> 02:38:45,939
thanks for joining us our cast thank you

3590
02:38:58,359 --> 02:38:55,059
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3591
02:39:01,269 --> 02:38:58,369
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